- Abraham gave 10% of the spoils of war while Israel was required to give less from the spoils of war. (Hebrews 7:4; Numbers 31:28-30)
- Of all the recorded events about giving in the New Testament Church, there is not a single one about tithing.
- Are the children required to pay tribute? (Matthew 17:25; Galatians 4:5)
- Jacob freely offered the tithe because he knew without a requirement, it was of freewill to give. (Genesis 28:20)
- None of the Israelites tithed while outside of the promised land. (Deuteronomy 12:5)
- Abraham was born under an Old Testament covenant that was established long before Moses. (Genesis 3; Hebrews 8:13)
- The poor received the tithes and did not pay them. (Deuteronomy 26:12)
- Giving is the only gift that has a minimum requirement before you learn to exercise it as a Spiritual gift.
- There is no New Testament command to continue or even modify tithing according to the structure of the New Covenant.
- Israelites who did not grow food or raise animals did not tithe. (Leviticus 27:30)
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Do you think people are going to give up going to see their favorite movie on Friday evening or the Football games on Saturday nights or even their Ham dinner on Holidays. Giving ten percent of their money is easier than doing this. Some pro-tithe or else person might be having a ham sandwich even at this very moment. Gentiles are not going to be talked into keeping the Sabbath from Frid. evening to Sat. evening they love pork and football too much to swallow that lie from the Pulpit, plus everyone knows that the major days for women to shop is on Saturday this just would not fly, not even if they got bragging rights for Sabbath keeping in return!
Oh, I forgot about the devout Seventh Day Adventist, you all keep the Sabbath so my hats off to you for at least being consistent to your pro-law-keeping and even not eating pork.
I am really impressed by your lack of double-speak and lack of contradictions.
Doesn’t it say somewhere in the bible that the thing you fear the most will come upon you, so if you think you are cursed for not paying God ten percent of your money then you will be! If you think God will bless you just by asking Him to then you will be I am pretty sure it says somewhere that when you pray believe that you will receive it then you will have what you say.
At the risk of sounding redundant and repetitious, Gentiles were not given any of the Laws of Moses. Neither were they adopted into the a Covenant with God till after Jesus died and the temple of his flesh was torn as well as the Jewish temple curtain that separated us from God was torn from top to bottom. This gave access to all to come boldly into the throne of God’s grace an obtain mercy. This mercy will redeemed you from the curse of the law. Laws you broke and may still break by sinning in your thoughts or actions. This mercy has a name, Jesus Savior and Lord. Now pray for what you need and receive it free of charge! We can try to stop sinning and not give in to our old nature but Civil wars are the hardest battles to fight.
I have a hard time believing that someone is saved and born again if they do not financially give when it is in their power to do so. Faith without works is dead.
Love is an action. Otherwise it is just all talk and no walk.
Tyrese
Giving 10% to ones fellowship or charity is wonderful but it is not tithing. This blog celebrates giving. Christian leaders expecting payment from other Christians and demanding it by teaching that Christians are obligated to give to their ministry is what anti-tithers are against. Giving is good God loves a cheerful giver. But everone can set in their heart where and what to give. That is all.
This is what Jesus and the Diciples taught none of them asked for a tithe of money like most evangelical Christian leaders of non profit organizations do today in America.
The poor and Jews who did not own land in Israel did not pay these food taxes from their land in Israel. Preist receved a tenth of the tenth from the levites and they too did not pay the tithe of Moses.
Tithes were food payments under the Jewish law sytem given to the priest and Levites. All Christians are priest so expecting 10 percent of another priest money is an un Christian concept.
Obligated Moneytithe Traditions take the priesthood giving athority away from non profesional paid Christians who believe in them. Giving is good Tyrese Expecting 10% and demanding it is bad.
Has anyone read 2 Cor. 9:7? “Each man should give what he has decided in his heart to give, not reluctantly or under compulsion, for God loves a cheerful giver.” Why would God ask us to “decide” in our heart what to give if He had already commanded us to give a base amount of 10% of our gross income? Are we under a curse of we don’t give this amount? Are we “robbing God”? No of course not! Rom. 8:1 tells us “there is now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus” If a church can not survive by receiving free will offerings (not tithes) it may not be something God want’s to bless. Stop tithing, start giving!
Jesus the good Sheppard laid his life down for the sheep. Superior Christian leads expect to pastor by decreasing while Jesus increases. High pastor expectations of others money sounds a lot like the leadership of Judas. Judas was very concerned with other peoples giving to Jesus.
Any Christian that expects 10% of another Christian’s money as their entitlement from Jesus must be incorrect. All Christians are priest and should be ready to suffer. How can expecting 10% from others be better for a Christian leader than not expecting 10%? Did Jesus really teach his priest to expect a percentage from other priest? If the leader expects monetary rewards as an entitlement how can the followers ever grow beyond worldly entitlements and dependences.
Christian leaders should be instructing all in Jesus to make themselves the leadership, obsolete because their leadership is no longer needed. John the Baptist said he must increase so I must decrease. It seems quite hard to decrease when one gets very good at obligating others to give ten percent of their money. How is that Christian Jesus like ministry? People are the church not organizations.
Giving is best when given to people because it cuts out the middle men. Giving to ones Children, Parents family, the poor, Christian Schools, Missionaries, are all ministries just as worthy of Christian dollars as our so called Local churches.
Please say something with love…. I realised that God never curses anyone. He wants all people to be blessed in Christ. However, curses and blessings was already been set. It is our choice which one to happen to us. Although Jesus Christ redeemed us from the curse, it doesnt mean you are free from the curse if you intend it to happent to you. Example, you suffered for beeing poor, I believe this is one situation of being cursed not becuase God has cursed you but because maybe you are lazy or you are sick maybe because you do not eat properly or you abused your body. Even if you are born again believers if you did these you have chosen curses not that God has cursed you. It is the same in giving, you do not harvest because you do have not planted.
I agree with what Just a comment.
In summation:
All Willful Sin Brings A Curse. The ultimate Curse will land you in Hell if you are refusing to be forgiven of the debt Jesus paid as your substitute on the Cross! “JESUS SAID PAID IN FULL.” OTHER TRANSLATIONS SAY: “IT IS ACCOMPLISHED”. JESUS PAID A DEBT HE DID NOT OWE FOR A DEBT YOU COULD NOT PAY!
Included in that payment is described in Romans 8:32-33 Read it for yourself no charges against you, and you are freely (some translations use the word graciously) given all things !
Thank you for sharing truth from Gods word with us.May Gods grace increase more and more in your lives.
Peace to you all.
It is sad when people try and manipulate others with their interpretation of scripture. Especially when their interpretation is driven by their lack of faith. Yes Jesus died for our sins and freed us from the law. Does that mean we can now murder, steal and worship idols? Of course not. Likewise we should still give back to God even after Jesus freed us from the Law. Make no mistake God does not need your money to accomplish anything. Your giving is an act of faith and obedience. Period. Seeing as we owe everything to God it seems petty to not freely give something back to him. I would argue that 10% of your income is less than .00000000000000000000001% of what God has provided to you.
What God really wants from you is a personal relationship where he is the savior of your soul through Jesus Christ. Once you have received him and spent enough time in his word and time speaking with him he will reveal to you the value of tithe and giving back to him. You will not understand this until he reveals it to you. He reveals many things to those who spend a lot of time in his word.
Still don’t want to give. Keep your pennies and don’t criticize those who have been rewarded for their faith in giving. On second thought go ahead and persecute us for our faith. It is another way for us to glorify God.
Until Jesus returns!!!!!!!!
Michael, God’s word has never asked you to give 10% of your money to Him, however you are welcome to do so. God’s word has never asked you to give 100% of your money to Him, although you are welcome to do so. Please understand that you will find no favor with God for the amount you give, only that you give with a cheerful heart. Cor. 9:7. If you give cheerfully 1.5% of your money then God bless you. If you give 98.5% grudgingly or under compulsion than keep it all and ask God to change your heart about giving. There is NO Tithe mandate in scripture for you or me. Please be free from this misguided teaching and give whatever you have decided in YOUR heart to give! Visit http://www.nomoretithing.org and read your Bible! God bless.
Hebrews 8:6-13 (King James Version)
6But now hath he obtained a more excellent ministry, by how much also he is the mediator of a better covenant, which was established upon better promises.
7For if that first covenant had been faultless, then should no place have been sought for the second.
8For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah:
9Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt; because they continued not in my covenant, and I regarded them not, saith the Lord.
10For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:
11And they shall not teach every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for all shall know me, from the least to the greatest.
12For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their iniquities will I remember no more.
13In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away.
He (Jesus) is a Mediator of A Better Covenant! DeWayne please read with understanding.
Better than the Old which includes Old Covenant tithing!
2 Cor. 9:7 has always been God’s plan for giving (new covenant). I will never tithe again, be free brother! (or sister of your a woman) Stop tithing, Start Giving!
Praise Jesus Dewayne
2 Cor. 9:7
This scripture Makes Christians free from any money to preachers mandate. Please people you are priest if Christ is in you. You all have ministries which are to those closest to you and those who you do not know. Preachers should ask for support not demand it through a law not found in Christ. Church tithing traditions destroy many relationships which could be more like friends and Family. If you are free from tithing please tell many others and our leaders will become more accountable.
Christ in US!
Ever seen your church do this?
http://epaper.ardemgaz.com/Repository/getFiles.asp?Style=OliveXLib:ArticleToMail&Type=text/html&Path=ArDemocrat/2009/09/02&ID=Ar00102&Locale
Rock on brother! Be free from the tithe mandate! Stop tithing…start giving!!!
Some of the comments are profound and I agree with them.
This is the way I see it-
Tithing was an old testament command to the Jews in order to finance the temple offerings and sacrifices and pay towards the priests. They would collect that as temple tax. They used Theocracy where religion and government was hand in hand. There were priests in the days of Malachi who were going to other professions because they were not being sustained so God rebuked them about robbing Him.
We today pay the same as taxes to the state. The new covenant is better than the old one, as some earlier posts had mentioned.
The early church never imposed these rules on new believers or gentiles. The Jerusalem council did not ask the gentile believers to pay tithes. Only 4 things check your bible.
You cannot earn your salvation by paying tithes neither can you lose salvation if you do not.
Besides all of these arguments and explanations the reason I stopped to tithe was when I saw the lives of these so called evangelist and preachers. how was the money i paid being used? I began to question…
Preachers like Benny Hinn go to third world countries and live in their best hotels.I was in the London conference 2007 where he announced that when we give to them they will write our name on the private jet and we will be in effect going to all the world to preach the gospel. You turn the so called Christian television God TV, TBN, Daystar you have preachers who are giving miracle waters to holy handkerchief. I dare you to write to any preacher and you will get at least one request for ‘Urgent Plea’ or urgent need to pay our last crusade bills.
If you are tithing in your church please look at the financial records as to how the money is being spent. Are there lazy good for nothing full time workers eating off that money, is your church a recognized charity. You can see their past years records and payments.
Be wise do not be foolish! Jesus in his parable asked the wicked servant why he did not invest the talents in the bank and earn interest? Be a good steward because there are real needy people out there whom you can touch and be a blessing to. Faith with works!
Also check:
http://www.elifeonline.net/elife6-may-june/ashimolowo.htm
1.Abraham gave 10% of the spoils of war while Israel was required to give less from the spoils of war. (Hebrews 7:4; Numbers 31:28-30)
i always laught every time i read this article of Russel concerning the tithes in Num 31 as he allegedly a compromised tithes of God. poor analysis and lacled of supported evidence to accuss God of inconsistency and to bend his commandment to the lowest level as an ordinary human ordinances.
what kind of God does Russel worship?
let’s analyze his proof of evidence and learned if there’s really a valid reason to accuss God of his living words.
let us read in Numbers 18:26-28
v26 says: `When you receive from the Israelites the tithe I give you as your inheritance, you (Levites) must present a tenth of that tithe as the LORD’s offering.
…..so from the people’s tithe that the Levites received, a tenth from it will go to the Lord. that means 2 X 10% or two tithes.
in v28 says: “In this way you (Moses) also will present an offering to the LORD from all the tithes you receive from the Israelites. From these tithes you must give the LORD’s portion to Aaron the priest.”
analyse: from the peoples tithes that moses received will go to the Priest ..that means 1 X 10%? why? because the common between these two verses were the people’’s tithe.
the arrangemet would be:
the peoples tithe + the Levites tithe + the Priest tithe =3 x 3 tithes!
we can now apply this formula to Number 31:32-26
v32 The plunder remaining from the spoils that the soldiers took was 675,00=
0 sheep, 33 72,000 cattle, 34 61,000 donkeys 35 and 32,000 women who had ne=
ver slept with a man.
v36 The half share of those who fought in the battle was:
337,500 sheep, 37 of which the tribute for the LORD was 675;
v38 36,000 cattle, of which the tribute for the LORD was 72;
v39 30,500 donkeys, of which the tribute for the LORD was 61;
v40 16,000 people, of which the tribute for the LORD was 32.
……..lets try the 675000 sheeps for the 3 tithes of num 18.
10% of 675000 =67500
10% of 67500 =6750
10% of 6750 =675! of Num 31:36 very simple!
according to your article that the ordinance of the Mosaic Law which sets the spoil-tax at only one percent (1%)(1/50th of one
half, or 1/100th) and not ten percent ”
where did you get this calculation?
lets read in Num 31:
v27 Divide the spoils between the soldiers who took part in the battle and
the rest of the community.
v28 From the soldiers who fought in the battle, set apart as tribute for the LORD one out of every five hundred, whether persons, cattle, donkeys, sheep or goats.
v29 Take this tribute from their half share and give it to Eleazar the prie=
st as the LORD’s part.
v30 From the Israelites’ half, select one out of every fifty, whether persons, cattle, donkeys, sheep, goats or other animals. Give them to the Levites, who are responsible for the care of the LORD’s tabernacle.”
v31 So Moses and Eleazar the priest did as the LORD commanded Moses.
analyze: “From the soldiers who fought in the battle, set apart as tribute for the LORD one out of every five hundred, whether persons, cattle, donkeys, sheep or goats.
Take this tribute from their half share and give it to Eleazar the priest as the LORD’s part.”
……1/500 will go to the Priest.
From the Israelites’ half, select one out of every fifty, whether persons, =
cattle, donkeys, sheep, goats or other animals. Give them to the Levites, who are responsible for the care of the LORD’s tabernacle.
……1/50 will go to the Levites.
so 1/500 of the Priest and 1/50 of the Levites = is not equal to tenth percent????
do you think there was no tithe on these two fractions?
it appears that you didnt notice that the tenth percent of God was still in1/500!
to make the distribution equal to both the soldiers and the people we must remove first the tenth from the 1/500!
thus 1/500 would be 1/10 and 1/50.
so now the total would be 1/10 of God and 1/50 of the soldiers and 1/50 of the people.
are these fractions equal to the formula given in Num 18 which constitute 3 x 10%?
what is your answer?
my answer is YES!
how? simply combine the two fraction of the 1/50 and 1/50 would be 2/100.
( it maybe resulted to 1/25 but we are only clarfying the three tithes in Num 18 )
but the 100 is equal to 10 x 10 or by square root.
so 2/100 can be express as 1/10 and 1/10.
so now 1/10 of God, 1/10 of the soldiers and 1/10 of the people thus equal to 3 X 10%
this conclude that the number 18 is equal to numbers 31 and therefore the tithe of God still stand.
now compare:
Num 18
10% of 675000 =67500 from the people to the levites
10% of 67500 =6750 from the levites to moses
10% of 6750 =675! from moses to the Lord represent by the priest!
Num 31
675000 / 2 = 337500
337500/50=6750 from the people to the levites,
337500/500=675 from the soldiers to the Lord!
so the common answer between in Numbers 18 and 31 would be 675 tithe tothe Lord!
RUSSEL LOST!
willis
I just want to ask a question, Willis do you beleive tithing is for christians today or is it no longer required ?
joel, if the tithing laws can be limited to the israelites only why would Malachi have to render Man instead of jews or israelites in his writings. his message covers the entire race of human just as moses had rendered man in the creation: “let us make man….”
as long as we are human tithings would be an active command in life which mean death and animal are the only way of not to tithe. satan was clever when he put up Charles Darwin to write that man was the higher animal kind in his theory and finaly employed in some level of learnings in science. and if tithings are for the jews what was Paul said in his Galatians book?
Galatians 3:29
If you belong to Christ, then you are Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise.
who were the seed and heir to the promise given to abraham?
the jews and israelites!
what about the gentiles inheritance?
the gentiles can also be made heir to the promise through jesus christ’s adoption. that’s why in Roms 11 we are only called a wild olive twig grafted in the natural branch.
Romans 11:17
If some of the branches have been broken off, and you, though a wild olive shoot, have been grafted in among the others and now share in the nourishing sap from the olive root,
it’s a very simple logic of what we are to share from them.
now i should be the one to ask you, do we have to tithe when every descendant of abraham accustom to tithing?
No Russell did not lose read and re-read 2nd Corinthian 9:7 Each man is to give as he decides and purposes in his own heart!
you’re always babbling that verse to excuse yourself of obligation when there’s no even a single line that says it replaced the tithing laws by this give method to believe in your man-made doctrine. not Paul or Jesus had taught the people of no more tithes in this regard. you are full of deception to show by twisting the scriptures and be fitted to your self greed. yes to your pocket! all of Russel’s works are futile and short of worthiness. a blasphemy and rebellion toward God the motive of his book. he can not even prove that the tithes in num 31 are compromised. this is where he lost his ground to annul God’s commandmnt.
How do you know what we give, you are baring false witness! We are speaking on New Testament instructions of giving voluntarily, no one is saying to not support Ministry or their Churches, we are just saying teach it right. Giving is now to be done in worship not in fear of a curse or Jewish Old Covenant law.
Hebrews 8:6 the better covenant is the finished work of Jesus. Jesus summed up the entire Law Old and New when HE SAID IT IS FINISHED. Did he say I partially finished it now you finish the remaining ten percent? You lose unless you understand what all Jesus did and give glory to him not your own works.
wow! really? he finished them all or your false church finished them up?
alright how can you explain this?
25On one occasion an expert in the law stood up to test Jesus. “Teacher,” he asked, “what must I do to inherit eternal life?”
who asked jesus about eternal life?
the teachers of the law or probably the jews.
what was he responded?
26″What is written in the Law?” he replied. “How do you read it?”
27He answered: ” ‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your strength and with all your mind’[c]; and, ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’[d]”
whaaat?
what the book of law that can be able to inherit ETERNAL LIFE?
it can not be a NT book for they were not written yet when jesus asked the jews.
i ask you again what the book of law that can also earn a man an eternal life?
you’re getting DUMB this time!
You guys have to see this! Stop tithing…start giving!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K3xAiSLG9N8&feature=related
You guys have to see this! Stop tithing…start giving!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K3xAiSLG9N8&feature=related
if this is a political issue then your motives will go to nowhere.
Not at all, I love God and want to spread His Word that the tithe mandate is false doctrine. Be free to give what you have decided in your heart to give 2 Cor. 9:7
how can you say it false when jesus himself encouraged one to fulfill it in a spiritual way.
23″Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You give a tenth of your spices—mint, dill and cummin.
But you have neglected the more important matters of the law—justice, mercy and faithfulness. You should have practiced the latter, without neglecting the former.
24You blind guides! You strain out a gnat but swallow a camel.
what matter of the law that state to practice first?
justice, mercy and faithfulness.
what law that state not to neglect as the former?
ofcourse the tithing laws!
what lesson can we get from jesus’s teachings?
the tithing law has the requirements to fulfill by a one person as Paul explicitely wrote in his Romans book.
Romans 8:4
in order that the righteous requirements of the law might be fully met in us, who do not live according to the sinful nature but according to the Spirit.
justice, mercy and faithfulness are qualities of spirit required in the commandment keeping.
Alright someone that acutally reads their Bible, now we have a conversation. First let’s look at Matt. 23. What did Jesus say? 23?Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You give a tenth of your spices—mint, dill and cummin.
But you have neglected the more important matters of the law—justice, mercy and faithfulness. You should have practiced the latter, without neglecting the former.
What did they give a tenth of? “Spices—mint, dill and cummin” The tithe was agricultural only never money. And when did Jesus share this with the Pharisees, before or after His death? Before…right? What did Jesus say on the cross? “It is finished” and the veil torn in half. If we are under the law we must keep it all. Thank God Jesus paid it ALL! Does this mean we are free to hoard and sin that God’s grace will abound? God forbid! On the contrary, it is because I am free that I give, not reluctantly or under compulsion, but because I have been saved and can give whatever I cheerfully want to give. Does this make sense?
dewayne, the tithe lesson was taught by jesus years after the covenant was broken by the occupation of the Roman Empire.
why would jesus take up this tithe subject when he was aware that the kingdom of israel has long been abolished ever since?
only one thing gets into my mind!
tithing was not a part of the old covenant!
stop the tithing?
are you inciting a rebellion against God’s kingdom?
Yes a rebellion of freedom consistant with God’s kingdom! Willis I know it may be difficult to believe but tithing is not God’s best for you. Think about it. Why would He say “decide in your heart what to give” if He had already decided for you that 10% was the required amount to give? Worse than that some churches teach that you are cursed if you don’t tithe. God forbid! I pray that you would be free to give what you have decided to give. Ask God for help with this struggle, He is faithful. Stop tithing…start giving! I love you brother!
this is the problem of who is your God because even satan had masqueradwe himslf to be an angel of light.
2 Corinthians 11:14
And no wonder, for Satan himself masquerades as an angel of light.
just tell me, who said that tithing has been replaced by a give method?
was it Paul, Jesus or God?
then you must be rebelling with respect to political point of view issue.
but tithes is the best and not only that the holiest.
Numbers 18:29
You must present as the LORD’s portion the best and holiest part of everything given to you.’
so what best are you talking about when God rendered the qualites of tithes in an extreme level?
you should be the one to think!
Willis take it one step at a time. Is 10% God’s best?
you read it and you must believe it!
So what if I give 8.9% is God disappointed? Am I robbing God? Am I cursed? What does 2 Cor. 9:7 say? I want you to know this may be one of the most important discoveries you ever have. God loves you more than we know. Nothing you do will give you more favor with Him. Think about the thief on the cross. What more could he do to be saved? Yet Jesus promised him that he would be with Him in paradise. Stop tithing and start giving. I’m praying that for you right now brother.
robbing God?
have you been reading your bible?
Willis what does 2 Cor. 9:7 say?
who did the saying? was it God or the human name Paul?
Willis are you a Catholic or Mormon?
why would God say that the tithe was the holiest in num 18?
WHY?
WELL are you an FBI to bring me to that question?
matter is: the tithe did not originate from the mormon.
again! why did God render the tithe as the holiest?
No I’m not the FBI, it’s just that some of your comments seem consistant with these points of view and I wanted to make sure I had the correct starting point. Regarding the most holy offerings, I can assure you that your 10% tithe check to your church is not the most holy offering that is referred to in Num. 18, but I will say that giving what every you have decided (if 10% is what you have decided) pleases God. God loves a cheerful giver. Do you feel that Paul’s writings were equal to those writen by Moses?
matter is: the tithe did not originate from the mormon or the catholics.
again! why did God render the tithe as the holiest?
no! the word “holiest”and “best” are the extreme description unequal to anything or to your gods.
think of anything with this title parallel to what he rendred to his tithe.
Ok so the tithe (10% of your income) to the church is equal to the old testment temple offerings and most holy to God. It looks like we are going to have to disagree on this one. I am going to continue to give whatever I have decided in my heart to give and I wish you all the best. I love you brother!
Matthew 23:23 was to Jews before Jesus died on the Cross they were still under the law and not Grace. Whenever people do not realize this it shows their eyes have yet to be opened to the meaning of Grace and what all Jesus freely gave us by dying on the Cross. It includes not only Eternal life and Salvation but healing, daily provisions, freedom from oppression etc. Start glorying in the work of Christ on the Cross and not your your tithing records people! You diminish the work of Christ by boasting in your own works. Give as your act of worship as Jesus instructed to give in secret and our Father will reward us openly. Tithe boasting is not biblical but is prideful!
Watch you talkin bout Willis?
Dewayne you stole my line I was gonna say that Gee Wizz? Willis Friend are you and Adventist and What are the limitations on who can collect money tithes in your opinion. It seemed that you instructed that giving to the poor was acceptable giving to God? I am glad for your concern for the poor.
I’m sorry I had to. :)
so which one is the holiest? God or his tithe?
Hi, I just want to ask brother Willis Deuteronomy 14:22-26 clearly teaches that the tithes God wanted was food. If Moses and Aaron commanded the people to tithe with money God would have killed both of them according to Numbers 18:3. Its absolutely foolish to change or to disobey Gods instructions in the old covenant.
We can not change Gods instructions, for example King Saul when he made a burnt offering from cattle God commanded him to kill with every man, woman and children.
Imagine Moses directly telling God that tithing laws he commanded them to follow will be changed because a guy name Willis said its not part of the law beacause he is following what Abraham did and he does not need any Levites or high priest ?
Dear Willis, I dont know who brainwashed you but you sound like an inteligent person. You need to understand you can not twist and interbret the bible to try and fit your churchs doctrine to raise money to feed your pastor or for your buiding program.
The danger here is that you are teaching christians to go ahead and change Gods instructions and manipulate scriptures to fit your purpose.
Think about this, in the old covenant if you fail to keep the law God instructed Moses that you should be killed,in the new covenant,Jesus said,to forgive like what he taught in (Mathews 23:23.)
(Mathew 23:23) still proves that food was used to pay for tithes, or you want to tell Jesus it should be money. Jesus was angry when he found people trading and conducting business in the temple in ( Mathew 21:12-13). Thats Jesus additude towards money.
Willis whatever you are trying to do, if you want christians to disobey the scriptures to raise money to support you and your family or for your church buiding I am going to tell you to stop now.God is merciful and gracious but do not delibrately mislead christians or he will judge you in the very near future.
I have never been wrong before,everytime I warned or correct christians in christs love it always come true.
I pray that you do not get offended but release forgiveness towards your christian brothers and sisters who debate with you on this site.
Hi, check this one out. ( Mathew 23:23 ) The Jews paid the tithes with food, Jesus confirmed that. Money was available when Jesus was here,
When did we change the tithe from food to money ? ( Deuteronomy 14:24-26 ) teaches money was not allowed to replace food because it says in verse 25 I quote “then you shall turn it into money”and verse 26 I quote “and you may spend that money for whatever your appetite graves for”NKJ,AMP,NLT. The Jews were not allowed to eat the food for the tithe or they will be cursed.( Deuteronomy 28:15-68 ) The bible does not teach to turn money into food for the tithe or use money to replace the food tithe God commanded Moses and Aaron practised in the time of Jesus.
Where did you get this first harvest, first born, and sacrifices instructed by God that you quoted ?
Which book of the bible did you get this from and who did God used to speak to the Israelites
Are you saying that God commanded the Israelites ?
Deuteronomy 14:25-26 talks about money and what to do with the TITHE if the sanctuary is too far.
Verse 26 talks about buying whatever your heart desires.
Willis stop your lies about scripture
You have no idea, You are what we call a TRY HARD
Friends Willis Sam Joel, Dwayne and Everyone did you check out Seventh day Adventist Doctrines on money tithes. Willis I still read as much of your post as I can friend I hope you do the same with mine. Willis several times I felloshiped with Christain Jews on Saturdays this was a blessing.
Willis By your conversations I have guessed that you fellowship with Adventist, or other Sabbitarians. Could you explain. Willis we are getting to know you better becase you are sharing your heart about tithes and Christian felloship.
Willis friend Why ask those you instruct those anti tithers who you are giving your opinions, to research old post? This seems evasive to most on this forum but I think you are bolder than that. Willis You are quite prolific but also I do not understand the avoidance of certain issues like the Current Eat the tithes pricipals. How do Christians eat our tithes today? Or is it ok to give money to a Christian School and that giving be an accepatble money tithe in your opinion? Please answer directly as your time permits. Love is patient so we anti tithers can wait for a responce.
I once worked at a SDA Bible camp for kids in Washington state. The leaders let me live with them and they were so kind to me. Additionally I grew up reading big Bible books by Maxwell and placed in doctors offices and My parents taught me to read using the Blue and Red Childrens Bible stories Made by the Seventh day adventist Church. I read the Great Controversy. Willis do you love the people in this Electronic fellowship. If your felloship brings you love and Joy in Jesus why be so discreet if your fellowhsip is the best way then let us know your friends and family are they Adventist? Well if it is important you will answer as Jesus leads you freind.
Everyone Please continue to teach and debate with patience and kindness. I love you friend Willis in Jesus, Do you feel that we are Christians or lost needing salvation? I am patiently waiting for you to reveal yourself and your full testimony along with tithe debate stuff. I expect you to reply as you have time. Did you see the stuff I researched on the Seveth day adventist site about tithing what do you think? Willis do you agree with the following doctrines on tithes?
These Seventh Day Adventist doctrine statments are interesting. I have also read that Today SDA fellowships allow some money tithes to be spent at Adventist schools but this is limited. My research has been rewarding.
5. School Expenses: Ellen G. White unambiguously states that tithe is not to be “applied to school purposes,”[155] not even as a student aid fund.[156]
6. Assisting the Poor and the Sick: The Christian responsibility of caring and providing for the poor is constantly upheld by E. G. White. However, she indicates that tithe should not be used for this purpose, that it should “not be regarded as a poor fund. It is to be especially dedicated to the support of those who are bearing God’s message to the world; and it should not be diverted from this purpose.”[157] She counsels every church to “feel its responsibility to have a special interest in the feeble and the aged. . . The tithe should not be appropriated for this work.”[158]
From an official SDA website
What dose everyone think?
Spiritual parents sacrifice for their spiritual children, Christ in US!
joel, do you want me to read it on behalf of your laziness all of these commandments?
is tithe a sacrificial law or not?
if you are living in a spiritual world of God, you may get of what are those spiritual intent lie in those commandment of God and you will certainly say that tithing has no connection to money ALONE!
God is spirit and everything that comes out of his mouth must be in spirit.
this is where our discussion must be based!
my friend, for smetime i was once baptized to that religion where i get to know the importance of the laws to man. like Russel who chose to leave this belief that limited yourself to find the whole truth of God. but unlike his total about face from his erstwhile religion, the tithing laws as i discovered did not originate from the SDA doctrine but from God himself and surprisingly they could not explicate the meaning of tithes in their holdings. it limited itself to just a plain givng as your method of system being practiced commonly.
let us not to forget that God is not a cruel God as what you have ascribed him of his commandment to be as grievious to carry. this is what i have discovered in this kind of setups done by your WORLDLY CHURCHES TEACHINGS. and i am ready to battle this out anytime on this confrontation
Freewillgiver, your post is encouraging. I think we share a similar understanding about fellowship. I feel that your comment about superior fellowship is correct. How often do we overlook this opportunity believing that an organization meeting weekly is somehow superior. I look forward to following more of your posts brother.
if the tithe is destine to expire in the new covenant, why did God render tithe as the BEST and HOLIEST in Numbers 18?
making it higher than God’s righteousness to the extreme level!
just answer my specific question.
Where in the bible does it say that money is holy on to God ?
Willis thats absurd, rude, uninformed and ridiculous
Your greed and selfish motives are screaming out so loud
The tithe is for you and you are entitled to collect it THAT IS YOUR AIM
…and when did i say that the tithe is limited only to money?
you have been indulged of too much wine probably when reading my post.
The curse in ( Deuteronomy 28:15-68 ) is the same in curse in ( Galatians 3:10 )
Its so foolish to put yourself under the curse of the law or risk not being able to keep the whole law.
Please stay with Jesus in the New Covenant, which is said by His Grace we are saved not by the works of the law, because Paul teaches in Galatians 3:12 “that the law is not of faith”
We are saved because we “Belived” Jesus Christ died for our sins. We did not receive Jesus Christ as lord and saviour because we kept the law observed by Saul before Jesus threw him down near Damascus.
and as for you, why did God choose to use “Man” instead of jews or israelits in Malachi 3 to be accuss of stealing?
let’s isolate this case in this context and start to debate until we arrive to the new covenant of God.
In the time of Malachi, Gentiles were in the Sanctuary paying tithes and giving offerings thats funny and irresponsible. How can you be this ignorant.
You might even belive that Egyptians and Philistines were involved in Malachi too.
So with this in mind Moses instructed the Egyptians that he came to Egypt to deliver them from the Isrealites.
You are so confused you might even think you are Moses or Elijah. Have a shot of reality and come down to earth.
( Mathew 23:23 ) says Food was used for tithes in the time of Jesus. Do you agree with that? Yes or NO.
In our time Money is used for tithe, who changed it ?
Jesus obeyed his fathers commandments and instructions perfectly. So he knew the Jews were keeping the law given by Moses by paying their tithes with food and commented on the way they kept it.
He did not rebuke the Jews for paying tithes with food,that means the Jews were following the tithing law perfectly.
Pharisee were present to make sure the law of tithing was observed properly the same thing Saul did before he was saved and became Apostle Paul. IT WAS FOOD COMMANDED BY MOSES AND AARON ( Deuteronomy 14:22-23 ) FOOD ONLY unless its too far then SELL THE TITHE and eat it before the Lord( Deuteronomy 14:25-26 )
which particular verse that the gentiles living in israel paid their tthes?
one at a time only because you made your admission that the commandment was for the gentiles too opposite to what has your group believed that it was intended only for the israelites.
looks like the truth is leaking from your mouth!
but there’s another more to come just stay tune..
Are you saying that the Gentiles were commanded by God to tithe and keep the commandments in the old covenant brfore Jesus ?
THe law of Moses was written,God instructed Moses to record every instructions He gave him and to make sure the chidren of Israel follows it carefully. Deuteronomy 28:1 unless you forgot God wrote the ten commandments
Deuteronomy 28:1 refers to the nation of Israel only ( Jews) not you because Willis did not have a covenant with God before Jesus. ( Deuteronomy 29:1 ) confirms that it was the nation of Israel. The jews are still called Gods people today. They are mentioned all over the old and new testament in the bible.
Stop trying to add and take away what the bible says Willis its dangerous.
Someone or something really mess you up. You are like a brain dead victim of deception.
THe Gentiles did not have a covenant with God before Jesus.
Willis where do you come up with this junk?
The Jews are still Gods people, why are you so proud ? You can not be both,Either you are a gentile or you are a Jew.
Do you understand that ? YES or NO ? Philistines had no covenant with God so God did not expect them to pay tithes or any offerings in Malachis time or Aaron and Moses time. This is elementry I feel stupid to even point this out to you.
You are so mixed up with your false doctrine you do not even make sense anymore.
Jesus is the king of the Jews, YES or NO? It was not written on his cross that he was king of England or king of Tonga or any other country.
Did you receive the Holy Spirit from keeping the law or from beliving in Christ Jesus ?
You can not separate tithing from the law because Jesus said it in ( Mathew 23:23 )
sam, just follow my trail of truth and you will not get lost!
shalom.
You mean, For me to follow Osama bin laden and ask him to explain the bible ?How to be brainwashed or how to con christians to give you money to pay for your bills and call it tithing ? You have no idea about truth the only truth you want is how to steal from christians to feed your family and then tell them that God wants them to keep the law of tithing. I CAN EASILY SPOT A FRAUD LIKE YOU ANYTIME.
Thank you Willis Joel and Sam for participation. Wow I love this Blog Jesus fellowship thanks Jared Joel Sam and Willis. This blog is about delighting ourselves in the lord Jesus then we will have the desires in Jesus of our hearts. Willis please post your fellowships doctrinal statements on tithes if they have one and you agree with them then we could all be quickly enlightened.
Is this a challenge for you or do you mainly fellowship alone or with a small group? What is the exact shape of correct giving in your beliefs. Are all Christian priest worthy to collect the money of God and give it to ministries in their homes and Schools. What are money tithing restraints?
Jesus deserves our time talent and treasure to make disciples in numerous ways. Giving and hearing testimonies help to build me up and everyone else so friends share pieces of your hearts along with debating it is rewarding. Revelations explains They will overcome the beast with their words and testimony.
Willis you are prolific thank you for calling me friend. I know it was purposeful because as others stated you are sharp. I laugh at your sharp rebukes because I guess you mean not to harm. Here is a tithe twist on Christian TV music and Entertainment Give yourself and your family 10% Secular entertainment and 90% purposeful religious or educational entertainment. I DVR Christian Cartoons for my kids so they can have Jesus lessons on Saturday mornings.
“What you talkin bout Willis?” What is your mission here on this blog? I am an African American conservative Californian who has shook governor Arnold Swartzenegers hand but then I voted for Gary Coleman in a California Governors’ election. Willis you are revealing more of your testimony and I’m pleased with less anonymous fellowship. What is your mission friend Willis please tell us more about those you love.
I think it is no accident that Jesus has brought us all to this group. What do you think of most of us on this Electronic fellowship? Are we Christians in your Book? Are you enjoying our fellowship friend I hope you are? You stated something about leaving the SDA church like Dr Russell was he SDA at one time and am I clear that you were SDA at one time.
What kind of fellowship do you attend if our current fellowships are inferior we need info on a superior fellowship? Well you will state this if it is important. What fellowship practices tithes closest to your beliefs and I am glad that you
I have been Pentecostal, Calvary Chapel, Baptist, Church of God in Christ, and Presbyterian. I fellowship with all Trinitarian believers but now my local fellowship is in a Christian School with no stated Pastor.
Joel and Sam I agree with you of course about mandated food tithes of Moses. Of course these are the only tithes clearly recorded as mandated groups of believers in the Bible. I have not found any other tithes mandated for the Jews which were not food tithes in the Old Testament.
Everyone, I am learning from your writings so as Jesus permits, Please always fellowship, rebuke when necessary, explain, post short, post long, suffer, be patient, listen, read , learn, give love and share the freedom and restraint in the love of Jesus friends.
Here it is folks ! Finally we see the proof of deception from Willis
He said I quote ” THE SUDDEN APPEARENCE OF PAUL IN THE CHRISTIAN’S SCENE ALLEGEDLLY TO HAVE CLAIMED THAT HE HAS SEEN THE CHRIST BUT REFUTED BY SOME SCEPTICS THROUGH THE IRRECONCILABLE EVENTS IN THE BIBLE ” end of quote
What can I say, Willis picks and choose which part of the new and old testament he agrees with and which chapter and verses to call lies.
I knew that either you are mentally disturb or so deceived that you do not even kow if you are Moses or Apostle Paul.
Willis go seek medical help while you still remember the road to the hospital.
Willis,
I am the author and owner of this blog. I am going to ask once and i am serious. It is time for you to leave. Do not even respond to this comment. Say nothing, and leave.
- jared
Yes I agree with Sam WIllis, you need to go see a psyciatrist or a psycologist to help you now. I am concerned that you are a danger to yourself and others. Please go now.
This is just a place where christians voice their opinions.
Please ignore everything we said to you on this site but go and see a doctor today or asap
Willis, I am sorry for what I said to you, please go seek some proffesional help. A good psyciatrist can help you with some medication. I hope you get well soon
Hi, I think we are too serious about this debate, Willis the opinons posted on this site are just opinons. I think you are taking this site too seriously. Maybe you should relax and and go see a therapist to discuss your opinoins or maybe a psyciatrist to listen to you and help you relax a bit more. Try and relax and not take opinons too seriously from other people. Go on a vacation it might help you rest and relax.
Colossians 2: 14 “Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances ( the tithe was an ordinance) cts
Acts 13:39..and through Him everyone who believes is freed from all things, from which you could not be freed through the Law of Moses.
James 2:10
For whoever keeps the whole law and yet stumbles at just one point is guilty of breaking all of it.
Galatians 3:10
All who rely on observing the law are under a curse, for it is written: “Cursed is everyone who does not continue to do everything written in the Book of the Law.”
Galatians 3:11″So it is clear that no one can be made right with God by trying to keep the law. For the Scriptures say, “It is through faith that a righteous person has life.”
Hebrew 8:6
“But now hath he obtained a more excellent ministry, by how much also he is the mediator of a better covenant, which was established upon better promises”.
Hebrew8:7
For if that first covenant had been faultless, then should no place have been sought for the second.
Only a moron cannot understand the above New Testament Scripture is opposing the keeping to the law for justification and favor from God! IT IS FINISHED. Ask for your favor in the name of Jesus for free!
Colossians 2:14 “Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross”.
Yes the tithe was an ordinance. Again that is why Jesus said it is finished paid infull.
He fulfilled the law and it is HIS payment that God required for our Favor/Grace.
Stop boasting in your own payments, braggarts! After the Cross it is His payment that really counts!
WILLIS IS SILENT on the above scriptures, mmmm…….
that’s because i asked him not to come back
Roman 8:32 God did not spare his own son but gave him up for us all so he will surely with him (Jesus) freely give us all things.
Tithe mandaters do you understand that God will freely give us all things for free in the name of Jesus?
Mathew 23:23 was before the Cross. Jews still under the law all had to keep 613 which controlled every aspect of their daily living.
Acts 13:39
..and through Him everyone who believes is freed from all things, from which you could not be freed through the Law of Moses.
Galatians 3:11
“So it is clear that no one can be made right with God by trying to keep the law. For the Scriptures say, “It is through faith that a righteous person has life.”
James 2:10
For whoever keeps the whole law and yet stumbles at just one point is guilty of breaking all of it.
Galatians 3:10
All who rely on observing the law are under a curse, for it is written: “Cursed is everyone who does not continue to do everything written in the Book of the Law.”
Thanx truth friend
Does anyone else notice that Willis has no rebuttal to the Scriptures Truthbetold gave to blow away his doctrine that law keeping for Justification and right standing with God is still in force.
Tithe propagandist please look up the word Grace and understand the word UnMerited Favor!
Unmerited is a gift you cannot earn and did not deserve!
In their desperation to falsely justify tithing as still an active law for the Christian Church some Pastors are saying we are under the Abrahamic Covenant, Please! God put Abraham to sleep in the ceremony when he cut that Covenant with him. It was God alone passing between the two halves of the animals. God fulfilled that Covenant unconditionally.
It is in Genesis 15:12. Abraham voluntarily gave a tenth one time only! Pastors tell you to faithfully tithe continuously. One time is not (faithful continuous) tithing!
I give but I will be darn if I fall for falsified information not according to my New Covenant Promises. Jesus is the New Covenant PERIOD!
Hebrew 8:6
“But now hath he obtained a more excellent ministry, by how much also he is the mediator of a better covenant, which was established upon better promises”.
Hebrew8:7
For if that first covenant had been faultless, then should no place have been sought for the second.
PS WHO DARE TO SLANDER THE APOSTLE PAUL. GOD APPOINTED HIM IN PERSON & COMMISSIONED HIM TO PREACH TO THE GENTILES!
Abrahamic Covenant starts in Genesis 12:15 As the sun was setting, Abram fell into a deep sleep, and a thick and dreadful darkness came over him.
Genesis 15:12 was a typo
If people want to tithe and want to pay God for a blessing that is their business.
As for me, I think no one can top the payment Jesus already made when he said paid in full, it is finished.
I sure think if anyone loves Jesus they will give a tenth & more as the Holy Spirit leads but not to waste money on charlatans-that would be sinful!
Some people (whom I will not name) are posting without reading the previous comments.
Maybe some things bare repeating but can we at least read the previous comments or you may sound (sorry to be harsh but) redundant.
I really enjoyed reading all your points. I often wonder how churches can be so bold while asking for the tithes, or nore like demanding and using leverage. I am a develoted church goer and every week I feel as though the sermon in that regard is off. There is a feeling I get its hard to explain.
The thing about Tithing is if it’s either part of the Law, or pre-Law.
If it’s part of the Law, then it’s been fulfilled and does not apply to us (Romans 3:20, Hebrews 7:18-19). Anyone trying to obey some of the Law are bound to the Law and have to keep all of it (James 2:10-11). And anyone trying to keep the Law have forsaken Christ (Galatians 5:4).
So if the Law has been done away with, the only thing left in support of the Tithe is Genesis 14 & 28, which say they gave a tenth before the Law was established.
But Abram did not give of his own possessions. He gave from the spoils of war, paid his friends and covered his expenses from the spoil, and gave the rest back to Sodom. Abram was already very wealthy (Genesis 13:2), and was already blessed by God (Genesis 14:19).
So if Abraham did not give an actual Tithe, what of Jacob? Jacob’s vow is conditional. Jacob needed proof before he was willing to accept that the LORD was his God! He asked God to be with him, watch over him, take care of all his needs, and let him return safely, and THEN he would Tithe.
Is that what Churches teach? Don’t they say we must Tithe first, and only after we do so for an unspecified amount of time, God will start taking care of us? That’s the exact opposite of what Jacob did! To top it off, there is no record that Jacob kept his vow, even though God met every condition that Jacob set for him.
Another problem with Tithing is that pro-Tithers claim that we can buy God’s blessing. That’s NOT what God says.
Matthew 5:45
He causes his sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous.
Matthew 6:1-2
“Be careful not to do your ‘acts of righteousness’ before men, to be seen by them. If you do, you will have no reward from your Father in heaven. So when you give to the needy, do not announce it with trumpets, as the hypocrites do in the synagogues and on the streets, to be honored by men. I tell you the truth, they have received their reward in full.”
Matthew 6:19-21
“Do not store up for yourselves treasures on earth, where moth and rust destroy, and where thieves break in and steal. But store up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where moth and rust do not destroy, and where thieves do not break in and steal. 21For where your treasure is, there your heart will be also.”
God’s Kingdom is not here on earth, and our reward is not here on earth. And many seem to forget that the Apostle Paul, who they look to when trying to support their Tithing Doctrine, suffered greatly throughout his life (2 Cor 11:24-28). Where is Paul’s reward? I think the answer is that his reward is not here on earth – he served the God of Heaven and like us, his reward is in Heaven!
Wes Thank you
Your take on Jacob making his tithe conditional is one that I often forget. Pre-law and under the Law is also a great distinction to remember when considering tithing.