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One thing you need to understand ,when Jesus said that TITHING IS IN THE LAW OF MOSES,no one on earth can change that.Jesus is the Word of God turned in to flesh.
Jesus cancelled the old covenant God made with the Jews only so that everyone (gentiles)can receieve salvation and have a relationship with God through the blood of Jesus.

Gentiles DO NOT QUALIFY to go near the old covenant God had with the Hebrews in the old testament.The bible teaches that JEWS ONLY were GODS people.

Mose went to Eygpt to save the Hebrews only.Please stop deceiving yourselves thinking that in (Malachi 3:10) God was speaking to Gentiles.God was speaking to the high priest and levites who stole from him.Gentiles had no covenant with God in the old testament.

Why I said that God was speaking to High priest and the Levites because of the book of Numbers 18:1-3.Malachi 2:8.
All those who think that God was refering to GENTILES or CHRISTIANS in the old testament are sadly being deceived.

When Jesus died,the veil in the the temple was torn.The old Levitical priesthood was changed because the curse of the law was removed by Jesus sacrifice forever.

Dont forget,God commanded Arron and the high priest to put the veil to separate the most holy place in the temple in the old testament.God himself tore the veil when Jesus died in Galvary because no man including a high priest can remove or tear the veil for certain they would have died.

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I just wanted to list a bunch of verses to be taken in whatever context it looks like they should be taken in.

Giving as the Lord leads us (what is impressed on our heart; paying someone’s bills, buying groceries, supporting a ministry or help network, your family, whatever) is the only way I see, Biblically, that we should handle our money and honor God.

I had a very, very bad experience at a money-hungry church that would mention the utmost importance of tithing and free volunteer cleaning every Sunday and Thursday night. It got really old and my faith did too.

I was completely fed up with the religion, the hate and the hypocracy so my husband and I left. I was the worship leader and graphic designer there. I just took up and left. I knew God was calling me to do this.

It’s been 2 months since I’ve stepped foot in man’s so called ‘church’ and let me tell you, when you really let go and trust God with all your heart it makes a huge difference. My husband and I believe that the Bible is not a religious text, what a fallacy! But rather a mystical book that encompasses every wonder, concept and wisdom imaginable.

Everything you think, isn’t. Everything you think isn’t, really can be. We don’t know anything as an absolute, God does though. We simply can’t make statements like ‘If you’re gay you may or may not go to heaven’ or ‘Tithe 10% minimum and God will bless you, any less, and you’re in rebellion’ or ‘You took magic mushrooms and said God showed you something! No, God would not approve of mind-bending sorcery like that!’

These are all wrong. Tithing being so pushed and relyed on in these last days is just one more symptom of the world’s ignorance and selfishness. No one cares for reaching the soul inside, relating in a normal, comfortable way. You have lost my generation. They hate church. They hate God. They hate religion. They hate the governement. They hate everything that is good and honest.

The only way to reach the people that we still can is to abandon all the preconceived notions of what godliness is and start hearing from God. Stop lying to your selves. We simply have to put our selves aside, more than any other time in history.

War has been declared by the enemy and today’s Christian nation (which is supposed to be God’s army) are a bunch of snivelling, namby-pamby, fake-kindness, self-decieving, judgemental group of pure worldliness. We have to wake up. We just have to.

I see that you even agreed with me in you second paragraph; so did you continue to do emphasize the tithe for the rest of your post?…even down to Malachi; which God’s rebuke directed towards those crooked preists, not us…the modern church!

The reason Jesus said, “You should tithe, yes, but you should not leave undone the more important things…” is NOT because it was “a direct passage to the TEACHERS who are overemphasizing tithing 10% to the temple.” It was because the Pharisees were under the Mosaic Law!

You must know that the Law was not written or even given to Gentile nations. It was for Israel only. Gentiles were not obligated to tithe to the Jewish Levite priests.

Do you know why Jesus certainly didn’t stress the tithing issue while he was here? It’s because He didn’t tithe! Paul never tithed, neither did any of the apostles! Why? because ONLY farmers, people who owned crops, gardens and cattle owners tithed; and they only tithed when they had an increase! They never tithed on the decrease of their goods. The tithe was never money and it was ALWAYS food and it was always eaten in front of the Levites! People who had jobs such as fishermen, carpenters and masons were not obligated to bring 10% of their tools, wood or fish to the Storehouse or Temple.

We are not commanded to tithe, nor are we expected to tithe. Jesus commanded that we love God with all our each other heart, mind, soul, strength; love our neighbor as ourselves and each other. It is love that is what fulfulls the Law, not tithing!

However, we are to be givers. Generous givers, NOT because we have to give or are commanded to. That’s religion and not Holy Spirit led. We are to give to the poor and those who are in need of help.

Not once in the NT did any apostle or preacher say that we were obligated to give 10% of our income to any church! There is no biblical Scriptures for that. You can’t bring the Law into the church, it doesn’t work!

Tithing doesn’t work; it’s too hard on the poor and too easy for the rich!

I give when I am led to give by the Holy Spirit with purpose and for those who are in need. I don’t do it out loud or call attention to myself. Jesus said we should give charity to the poor, in private.

Ashli, I will never tithe ever again. Why? because we have a new priest; a preist that reigns forever in the order of Melchizidek.

“So if the priesthood of Levi, on which the law was based, could have achieved the perfection God intended, why did God need to establish a different priesthood, with a priest in the order of Melchizedek instead of the order of Levi and Aaron?”

“And if the priesthood is changed, the law must also be changed to permit it. For the priest we are talking about belongs to a different tribe, whose members have never served at the altar as priests. What I mean is, our Lord came from the tribe of Judah, and Moses never mentioned priests coming from that tribe.” ~ Hbrews 7:11-14

So, do you see? Tithing does not prove anything to God. Tithing cannot make you right with God. Tithing cannot save you. Tithing cannot make you righteous. Tithing more or on-time or every week doesn’t prove anything to God; all it says that is that you are religious! It means you will give religiously every week down to tiniest frikin’ mint leaf but you cannot even master the more important things like justice, mercy and faith!

Ashli, no offense; but I believe you don’t know anything about the tithe other than what your preacher has told you. Do some Old Tesament research on the tithe and you’ll find the truth.

Stop tithing! Give with love, generously to the poor and the needy!

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Matthew 23:23 and 25 (NLT)
“How terrible will it be for you teachers of religious law and you Pharisees. Hypocrites! For you are careful to tithe even the tiniest part of your income, but you are ignorant of the important things of the law-justice, mercy and faith. You should tithe, yes, but you should not leave undone the more important things…” and in verse 25, “You are so careful to clean the outside of the cup and the dish, but inside you are filthy-full of greed and self-indulgence!..”

Yes, this IS saying that there are more important things than tithing. But it is a direct passage to the TEACHERS who are overemphasizing tithing 10% to the temple, which is what a lot of churches in our day preach in regards to their own churches. It shows a lack of trust for the Lord to truly multiply their faith, and their congregations money, to demand or manipulate anyone into tithing. Tithing (which literally means ‘tenth’) is a precept given to the Jews, along with circumcision, dietary laws and cleansing rites. There are a few verses in the new testament but nothing that commands gentile Christians (That’s us) to tithe the same way that we are commanded to love our neighbor, obey our father and mother and other such inward principles. Jesus certainly didn’t stress the tithing issue while he was here. He did stress the dangers of religion and people setting standards for other people. Giving is a Christian principle that we are encouraged to do as much as we can in all aspects of our lives. Even giving to the church and supporting pastors is mentioned and encouraged; being generous. There really just is no law or accountable standard for 10% of anything – your paycheck every week, 10% of your tax return, 10% of your birthday money, 10% of the change you find on the floor, 10% of your cashed savings bond…if you begin to live by a man-enforced and emphasized law then you are required to adhere to that law in every circumstance – this is what the Jews had to do. This is why Jesus laid down a new law. Tithing was not just money either, right? It was all the fruits and veggies from your garden, sheep and cattle, grain, even sometimes sons or land.

We just have to understand what the Bible is trying to tell us and keep our minds always open to new ideas about what God may be trying to tell you.

“The generous prosper and are satisfied; those who refresh others will themselves be refreshed.” Proverbs 11:25

“Only simpletons believe everything they are told! The prudent carefully considers their steps.” Proverbs 14:15

“If you reject criticism you will only harm yourself; but if you listen to correction, you grow in understanding.”
You don’t have to agree with me, just please consider the possibility of it.

“Ears to hear and eyes to see-both are gifts from the Lord.” Proverbs 20:12

“Yes, each of us will have to give a personal account to God. So don’t condemn each other anymore. Decide instead to live in such a way that you will not put an obstacle in another persons path.” Romans 14:12-13

Also, Paul presents the true way to preach about supporting pastors, tithing and giving in 1 Corinthians 9:11-27

No matter what we believe, this is the principle at the end of the day, “Those others do not have pure motives as they preach about Christ. They preach with selfish ambition…But whether or not their motives are pure, the fact remains that the message about Christ is being preached, so I rejoice. And I will continue to rejoice.” 1 Philippians 1:17-18

“Is there any encouragement from belonging to Christ? Any comfort from his love? Any fellowship together in the Spirit? Are your hearts tender and sympathetic? Then make me truly happy by agreeing wholeheartedly with each other, loving one another, and working together with one heart and purpose. Don’t be selfish; don’t live to make a good impression on others. Be humble, thinking of others better than yourself.”

These are what we should spend our time on as Christians…that, and praying for wisdom and understanding…
we are always supposed to be open to whatever God is telling us, he doesn’t have a ‘formula’ for good Christianity, it’s a walk. It’s different everyday. It’s not about having our own opinions, it’s being aware of the world around us and how we can best represent Christ to unbelievers.

Anyway, that’s what I feel God is showing me.