1. The Holy Spirit is our new teacher, not the Mosaic law (Romans 12:8; Galatians 5:18-25)
2. There is no command for the New Covenant Church to tithe (Genesis – Revelation)
3. Tithing was used for the temple storehouse & ceremonial system (Nehemiah 10:37; Deuteronomy 12:17,18)
4. 10% giving is not an eternal principle nor a character trait of God (Romans 8:32)
5. The church is not commanded to follow the ordinances of Abraham and Moses (John 7:21-24)
6. A tithe only consisted of agricultural increase (Leviticus 27:30)
7. Tithing is not the minimum amount mentioned in scripture (Romans 12:1; Matthew 25:24-28)
8. An OT ceremony paralleled the future Church with a freewill offering (Deuteronomy 16:10)
9. We have new commands of giving (1 Corinthians 16:2; 2 Corinthians 9:7; Galatians 5:18-25)
10. I will leave out #10 and see what many of you come up with
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Jesus said tithing was what the hypocrites do to try to full fill the laws.Not how much you give but like the widow,give all,from the heart and not because of what the temple/church head hypo said.God don’t need your money,men do.
yes, men need money to do God’s work. God was the one who gave you a strong mind or body to work and everything is His. Including us, He paid for us with His blood. Our lives belong to Him since we are living sacrifices.
Top Reasons Tithing is not Required…
A list of the top 10 reasons why tithing is not commanded for the New Covenant Church….
I think that you need to be careful about what you say and how you may be taking all of these out of context. Jesus doesn’t NEED YOUR MONEY!! HELLo he has a whole kingdom. The bible clearly states tithing is part of showing your love for the Lord. You give back money to the church and that shows your appreciation for God and the sacrifice of his son. Tithing is not necessary to be saved but i have to say one thing…… your love for the lord is part of being saved and if you can’t sacrifice a mear two dollars a week on the lord instead of starbucks then obviously you have a heart issue. FIGURE IT OUT PLEASE BEFORE YOU POST THINGS THAT ARE CONFUSING AND MISLEADING!
meg is right, careful of what you’re saying..
Meg and Levie,
i don’t recall the part where i said, “do not give”. I am here to spread the truth, and if the truth comes across as misleading then continue to criticize me.
- jared
You are REALLY reaching to get out of your responsibility to God!
No Vicky! REALLY reaching is twisting and changing the tithe’s purpose without any command to do so.
You’ve changed:
When you give the tithe (Deuteronomy 26:12- The tithe was only given at certain times of the year)
Who you give it to (Nehemiah 10:38- the tithe could only go towards the Levites the poor, or festivals; not towards buildings or pastors)
Where you store it (Nehemiah 10:38 – The tithe could only go into storehouses/silos, not churches)
What you give as a tithe (Deuteronomy 14:22- The tithe only consisted of food and animals)
How it was used for parties and festivals. (Deuteronomy 14:23)
What tithing includes (Leviticus 27:32-33Tithing never contained the first fruits)
How the tithe is used (The tithe was never used for building construction or maintenance.)
Vicky,
Am I reaching? I don’t think so! You can’t find any of the changes we made about tithing anywhere in scripture.
- jared b
i agree with tithe,do you know where your money goes really to the pocket of the misleaders,do you actually know where the money goes,it is very important to understand the scriptures about tithes.thank you for this information,me and my friend were talking about that we are tryting to really understand that.
I feel you should be spirit lead in the offering that you give.
Have you ever found yourself in church and did not feel the holly spirit moving?
Besides some of your own evangelistic outreach, did you ever feel that your church was not meeting up to it’s responsibility in reaching out to your community in reaching lost soul’s?
Do you ever find it easy to tithe because the spirit is moving you to do so then other times you feel your money is not going towards what God intended?
I’m really being pulled on this subject because when the spirit is leading me I have no problem giving my money, in fact this past year our church could not pay the fuel bill, I felt led to give 2,000 towards it.
I really feel it is a matter of your heart and spirit, we must listen closely to what the spirit is telling you.
Well anyways there is my 2%.
John
yes we do feel that way that is why it is important to really follow the spirit what he saying about that,thanks for posting
Granted some churches and pastors may abuse the tithe, but what about the churches who do rely on the tithe to pay for the bills or community events so they CAN be free for the poor? Who’s gonna pay for that? If you recall the tithe was also to pay the Levites, whom were the priests, who in context to today are pastors. God said that some of the money was to go to them.
Also, I would like to hear your dissecting on Malachi chapter 3 please.
Paul explains in 1 Corinthians the Rights of the Apostle – He makes it clear how preachers should look at their line of work and should do it freely. He also states that it is commanded by God that anyone who preaches the Gospel should receive their living from the gospel. Earn their living and wages from preaching the Gospel. In today’s world this is not the fact. Pastors and preaches work full time jobs while making the commitment to God and his work to become part-time. There seems to be a lack of faith on their part that God will provide for their needs if first they seek the Kingdom of God, and all shall be added onto you. Church members are unfortunately question their giving and wondering what the motives are and where the money is going. The bible states by reading the word of God that we shall gain understanding and discernment. The spirit will guide you in your heart and discern from false prophets. Unfortunately when preachers work in the world satin has the opportunity to violate their anointing and impacts their family’s, members,community and growth of the church. Obviously these comments do not pertain to all preachers because there are preachers out there that still make it there job only and make their living from it. It my opinion that church members would rally around their preachers if the fruits of faith, commitment, devotion and were a part of their everyday life. Man can not serve 2 masters….
Thanks John
Hey,
I really appreciate you digging into the Bible to find the real answers, not just the answers men tell you we already have.
The thing I’ve realised most since I’ve grown up and tried to find my own path with Jesus is that Christians are more than willing to tell you their traditional/socially accepted way of viewing the Bible and its truths. However, no one encourages you to look into the Bible for the answers and ONLY the Bible. The Christian church accuses Catholics of separating the church hierarchy from the masses by continuing to employ the use of Latin Bibles.
I say the Christian church is doing one worse – set by the standard that the more you know the more you are accountable for. The true views on wisdom, real leadership, humility, drinking & vices, faith, sin, unbelievers, etc. expressed in the Bible are rarely taught by churches (for the most part) in a way people A. can understand or B. can back up thoroughly with scripture.
I work at a church and it is a job requirement (not to mention if you ever want a raise) to tithe 10% of everything to the church. They check all employees records every month and before reviewing someone for a ministry position they will verify your tithe records.
If you tell me your church doesn’t do this, you are deceiving yourself.
Now I’m not so much of a revolutionist to say we all need to stop tithing and paying taxes. These systems are already instituted – I suppose respect is due. The modern day church relies on tithes much the same way the government relies on taxes. Irresponsibility is always present in any man-organised, people-funded organisation but on the same token, in order to do any good in actively ministering to the electronically twisted generation we’re in, the money must be present.
There are quite a few things my church is doing and teaching that I don’t agree with. Not because I’m on a high horse or I think I know it all, but because I know firsthand that the church relishes in tradition much more than anyone could ever bring themselves to admit. I must tithe here, I guess that’s proper submission. I don’t want to stand up for a principle that will only cause discord in the end.
Which brings me to my point.
The truth must be known, no matter what we choose to do with it.
The only thing we can really achieve by clinging to our own ideas and not giving any real weight or thoughts to opinions contrary to your own is self-deception. All you who disagree, please, before you start the next post to disagree with me or with John, examine your point of view in light of the Bible. Match it up. Really search for both sides of the story. Pray for wisdom, discernment and good judgement. No one can benefit in the lasting, joyful ways God intended if we only defend one point of view or one way of looking at something without really and earnestly searching the Bible for something.
If you have your own doubts about what you are told in church, if you feel like something is going on that is being justified as scriptural but you know it can’t really be, if you feel like a subject is being taught incompletely (maybe not blatantly wrong) and you don’t know if you should just believe and continue on or you should do something; DO SOMETHING. Look it up in the Bible. It has the answers. Not men. Really.
Don’t be too good or too wise! Why destroy yourself? On the other hand, don’t be too wicked either –
don’t be a fool! Why should you die before your time? So try and walk a middle course –
but those who fear God will succeed either way.
Ecclesiastes 7:16-18
So don’t take pride in following a particular leader. Everything belongs to you.
Paul and Apollos and Peter; the whole world and life and death; the present and the future.
Everything belongs to you, and you belong to Christ, and Christ belongs to God.
1 Corinthians 3:21-23
Getting wisdom is the most important thing you can do! And whatever else you do, get good judgement.
Proverbs 4:7
As God’s messenger, I give each of you this warning: Be honest your estimate of yourselves,
measuring your value by how much faith God has given you.
Romans 12:3
“Experience is never to be the basis for theology; rather, sound theology should be the basis for our experience.”
- Pastor Greg Laurie
“We cannot stop telling about the wonderful things we have seen and heard.”
Acts 4:20 –
The more words you speak, the less they mean. So why overdo it?
Ecclesiastes 6:11
“Never trade what you don’t know for what you do know.”
-Pastor Chuck Smith
No one can know what anyone else is really thinking except that person alone, and no one can know God’s thoughts except God’s own Spirit.
And God has actually given us His Spirit (not the world’s spirit) so we can know the wonderful things God has freely given us.
I Corinthians 2:11-12
For the Kingdom of God is not just fancy talk; it is living by God’s power.
I Corinthians 4:20
It’s true that we can’t win God’s approval by what we eat. We don’t miss out on anything if we don’t eat it, and we don’t gain anything if we do.
But you must be careful of this freedom of yours. Don’t cause a brother or sister with a weaker conscience to stumble.
I Corinthians 8:8-9
All verses were from the first edition NLT version.
Just remember that everything belongs to you. The truths of the Bible belong to you. Please really try and find them. Then you’ll really find joy and peace. He promises you that.
Thanks John,
Love Ashli
Jared,
Reason #10: There are more important things than tithing.
Jesus said to the tithing Pharisee, “For you pay tithe of mint and anise and cumin, and have neglected the weightier matters of the law: justice and mercy and faith (NKJV).” ~ Matthew 23:23
You see? There are more important things than tithing.
1. Justice
2. Mercy
3. Faith
Do you have those attributes? Have you mastered them yet? If not, maybe you should work on those and take control over them before you even start worrying about the tithe.
Marty’s last blog post..Pleasing Men or God?
Hey Marty.
I understand what you’re saying, but you’re using that verse out of context.
Matthew 23:23 and 25 (NLT)
“How terrible will it be for you teachers of religious law and you Pharisees. Hypocrites! For you are careful to tithe even the tiniest part of your income, but you are ignorant of the important things of the law-justice, mercy and faith. You should tithe, yes, but you should not leave undone the more important things…” and in verse 25, “You are so careful to clean the outside of the cup and the dish, but inside you are filthy-full of greed and self-indulgence!..”
Yes, this IS saying that there are more important things than tithing. But it is a direct passage to the TEACHERS who are overemphasizing tithing 10% to the temple, which is what a lot of churches in our day preach in regards to their own churches. It shows a lack of trust for the Lord to truly multiply their faith, and their congregations money, to demand or manipulate anyone into tithing. Tithing (which literally means ‘tenth’) is a precept given to the Jews, along with circumcision, dietary laws and cleansing rites. There are a few verses in the new testament but nothing that commands gentile Christians (That’s us) to tithe the same way that we are commanded to love our neighbor, obey our father and mother and other such inward principles. Jesus certainly didn’t stress the tithing issue while he was here. He did stress the dangers of religion and people setting standards for other people. Giving is a Christian principle that we are encouraged to do as much as we can in all aspects of our lives. Even giving to the church and supporting pastors is mentioned and encouraged; being generous. There really just is no law or accountable standard for 10% of anything – your paycheck every week, 10% of your tax return, 10% of your birthday money, 10% of the change you find on the floor, 10% of your cashed savings bond…if you begin to live by a man-enforced and emphasized law then you are required to adhere to that law in every circumstance – this is what the Jews had to do. This is why Jesus laid down a new law. Tithing was not just money either, right? It was all the fruits and veggies from your garden, sheep and cattle, grain, even sometimes sons or land.
We just have to understand what the Bible is trying to tell us and keep our minds always open to new ideas about what God may be trying to tell you.
“The generous prosper and are satisfied; those who refresh others will themselves be refreshed.” Proverbs 11:25
“Only simpletons believe everything they are told! The prudent carefully considers their steps.” Proverbs 14:15
“If you reject criticism you will only harm yourself; but if you listen to correction, you grow in understanding.”
You don’t have to agree with me, just please consider the possibility of it.
“Ears to hear and eyes to see-both are gifts from the Lord.” Proverbs 20:12
“Yes, each of us will have to give a personal account to God. So don’t condemn each other anymore. Decide instead to live in such a way that you will not put an obstacle in another persons path.” Romans 14:12-13
Also, Paul presents the true way to preach about supporting pastors, tithing and giving in 1 Corinthians 9:11-27
No matter what we believe, this is the principle at the end of the day, “Those others do not have pure motives as they preach about Christ. They preach with selfish ambition…But whether or not their motives are pure, the fact remains that the message about Christ is being preached, so I rejoice. And I will continue to rejoice.” 1 Philippians 1:17-18
“Is there any encouragement from belonging to Christ? Any comfort from his love? Any fellowship together in the Spirit? Are your hearts tender and sympathetic? Then make me truly happy by agreeing wholeheartedly with each other, loving one another, and working together with one heart and purpose. Don’t be selfish; don’t live to make a good impression on others. Be humble, thinking of others better than yourself.”
These are what we should spend our time on as Christians…that, and praying for wisdom and understanding…
we are always supposed to be open to whatever God is telling us, he doesn’t have a ‘formula’ for good Christianity, it’s a walk. It’s different everyday. It’s not about having our own opinions, it’s being aware of the world around us and how we can best represent Christ to unbelievers.
Anyway, that’s what I feel God is showing me.
Oh, I forgot that last scripture reference. It’s Philippians 2:1-3
Thanks!
Oh, man. You might be getting annoyed with me now. Okay, I went and studied Malachi Chapter 3. In Malachi 3:8-12 Malachi urged the people to stop holding back their tithes, to stop cheating God. According to God’s laws given to Moses (Leviticus 27:30-24; Deuteronomy 14:22), the Levites were supposed to receive some of the people’s tithe because they could not possess their own land (Numbers 18:20-21)During Malachi’s day, the people were not giving tithes, so the Levites had to work to support themselves. Because of this, they neglected their God-given responsibilities to care for the Temple and for the service of worship. Though we are no longer under the law today, we should recognize that everything we have is from God. Instead of robbing God of his own possessions, we should be pleased to use what we have to further his Kingdom – in whatever that way may be.
Ashli,
I do not believe that I am using that verse out of context. You are putting emphasis on the tithe, I am not. I am merely emphasizing exactly what Jesus was emphasizing. The problem is that’s what the Phraisees were guilty of and so are you.
I see that you even agreed with me in you second paragraph; so did you continue to do emphasize the tithe for the rest of your post?…even down to Malachi; which God’s rebuke directed towards those crooked preists, not us…the modern church!
The reason Jesus said, “You should tithe, yes, but you should not leave undone the more important things…” is NOT because it was “a direct passage to the TEACHERS who are overemphasizing tithing 10% to the temple.” It was because the Pharisees were under the Mosaic Law!
You must know that the Law was not written or even given to Gentile nations. It was for Israel only. Gentiles were not obligated to tithe to the Jewish Levite priests.
Do you know why Jesus certainly didn’t stress the tithing issue while he was here? It’s because He didn’t tithe! Paul never tithed, neither did any of the apostles! Why? because ONLY farmers, people who owned crops, gardens and cattle owners tithed; and they only tithed when they had an increase! They never tithed on the decrease of their goods. The tithe was never money and it was ALWAYS food and it was always eaten in front of the Levites! People who had jobs such as fishermen, carpenters and masons were not obligated to bring 10% of their tools, wood or fish to the Storehouse or Temple.
We are not commanded to tithe, nor are we expected to tithe. Jesus commanded that we love God with all our each other heart, mind, soul, strength; love our neighbor as ourselves and each other. It is love that is what fulfulls the Law, not tithing!
However, we are to be givers. Generous givers, NOT because we have to give or are commanded to. That’s religion and not Holy Spirit led. We are to give to the poor and those who are in need of help.
Not once in the NT did any apostle or preacher say that we were obligated to give 10% of our income to any church! There is no biblical Scriptures for that. You can’t bring the Law into the church, it doesn’t work!
Tithing doesn’t work; it’s too hard on the poor and too easy for the rich!
I give when I am led to give by the Holy Spirit with purpose and for those who are in need. I don’t do it out loud or call attention to myself. Jesus said we should give charity to the poor, in private.
Ashli, I will never tithe ever again. Why? because we have a new priest; a preist that reigns forever in the order of Melchizidek.
“So if the priesthood of Levi, on which the law was based, could have achieved the perfection God intended, why did God need to establish a different priesthood, with a priest in the order of Melchizedek instead of the order of Levi and Aaron?”
“And if the priesthood is changed, the law must also be changed to permit it. For the priest we are talking about belongs to a different tribe, whose members have never served at the altar as priests. What I mean is, our Lord came from the tribe of Judah, and Moses never mentioned priests coming from that tribe.” ~ Hbrews 7:11-14
So, do you see? Tithing does not prove anything to God. Tithing cannot make you right with God. Tithing cannot save you. Tithing cannot make you righteous. Tithing more or on-time or every week doesn’t prove anything to God; all it says that is that you are religious! It means you will give religiously every week down to tiniest frikin’ mint leaf but you cannot even master the more important things like justice, mercy and faith!
Ashli, no offense; but I believe you don’t know anything about the tithe other than what your preacher has told you. Do some Old Tesament research on the tithe and you’ll find the truth.
Stop tithing! Give with love, generously to the poor and the needy!
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I think the writer is correct in his assessment. We really must rightly divide the Word of God. Proof-texting scripture is not a valid way to study scripture. I am a giver. I am beyond tithing. My pastor asked me about this one day. I told him why I am a giver. I then said, if you want me to tithe, then I will have to give less. Do not limit God!!! Also, you must relate the text to the people of that time. Then you must see how it applies to you. Also, some things are not for us to follow, but to take away valuable lessons from. We are not Jews of Mosaic law. I am saved, sanctified and filled with God Holy Spirit. Also, good sent me to a great seminary to go deeper. Before you criticize, please study. Get your Hebrew and Greek word study Bible and study line by line to get the true meaning. Reading just want do, you have to study. Lord Help your people!!!!!
Hey…I was actually advocating NOT tithing.
I just wanted to list a bunch of verses to be taken in whatever context it looks like they should be taken in.
Giving as the Lord leads us (what is impressed on our heart; paying someone’s bills, buying groceries, supporting a ministry or help network, your family, whatever) is the only way I see, Biblically, that we should handle our money and honor God.
I had a very, very bad experience at a money-hungry church that would mention the utmost importance of tithing and free volunteer cleaning every Sunday and Thursday night. It got really old and my faith did too.
I was completely fed up with the religion, the hate and the hypocracy so my husband and I left. I was the worship leader and graphic designer there. I just took up and left. I knew God was calling me to do this.
It’s been 2 months since I’ve stepped foot in man’s so called ‘church’ and let me tell you, when you really let go and trust God with all your heart it makes a huge difference. My husband and I believe that the Bible is not a religious text, what a fallacy! But rather a mystical book that encompasses every wonder, concept and wisdom imaginable.
Everything you think, isn’t. Everything you think isn’t, really can be. We don’t know anything as an absolute, God does though. We simply can’t make statements like ‘If you’re gay you may or may not go to heaven’ or ‘Tithe 10% minimum and God will bless you, any less, and you’re in rebellion’ or ‘You took magic mushrooms and said God showed you something! No, God would not approve of mind-bending sorcery like that!’
These are all wrong. Tithing being so pushed and relyed on in these last days is just one more symptom of the world’s ignorance and selfishness. No one cares for reaching the soul inside, relating in a normal, comfortable way. You have lost my generation. They hate church. They hate God. They hate religion. They hate the governement. They hate everything that is good and honest.
The only way to reach the people that we still can is to abandon all the preconceived notions of what godliness is and start hearing from God. Stop lying to your selves. We simply have to put our selves aside, more than any other time in history.
War has been declared by the enemy and today’s Christian nation (which is supposed to be God’s army) are a bunch of snivelling, namby-pamby, fake-kindness, self-decieving, judgemental group of pure worldliness. We have to wake up. We just have to.
Tithing is included in the New Testament. Jesus told the Pharisees that they should operate in justice, love and mercy without neglecting the tithe. – Matthew 23
Hi, Mathew 23:23 clearly states that tithing is included in the Mosiac law.Jesus is a Jew,for him to tell His disciples not to tithe is a sin against the law of Moses.He spoke of tithing before his death in Galvary.
One thing you need to understand ,when Jesus said that TITHING IS IN THE LAW OF MOSES,no one on earth can change that.Jesus is the Word of God turned in to flesh.
Jesus cancelled the old covenant God made with the Jews only so that everyone (gentiles)can receieve salvation and have a relationship with God through the blood of Jesus.
Gentiles DO NOT QUALIFY to go near the old covenant God had with the Hebrews in the old testament.The bible teaches that JEWS ONLY were GODS people.
Mose went to Eygpt to save the Hebrews only.Please stop deceiving yourselves thinking that in (Malachi 3:10) God was speaking to Gentiles.God was speaking to the high priest and levites who stole from him.Gentiles had no covenant with God in the old testament.
Why I said that God was speaking to High priest and the Levites because of the book of Numbers 18:1-3.Malachi 2:8.
All those who think that God was refering to GENTILES or CHRISTIANS in the old testament are sadly being deceived.
When Jesus died,the veil in the the temple was torn.The old Levitical priesthood was changed because the curse of the law was removed by Jesus sacrifice forever.
Dont forget,God commanded Arron and the high priest to put the veil to separate the most holy place in the temple in the old testament.God himself tore the veil when Jesus died in Galvary because no man including a high priest can remove or tear the veil for certain they would have died.
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