Comments on: Difference Between Spirit-led, Freewill, & Grace Giving http://churchtithesandofferings.com/blog/difference-between-spirit-led-freewill-grace-giving/ Wise council about Church stewardship, Christian finances, and the tithe debate Fri, 19 Mar 2010 15:03:39 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: How Spirit Led Giving Could Transform the Church | Tithing & Stewardship http://churchtithesandofferings.com/blog/difference-between-spirit-led-freewill-grace-giving/comment-page-1/#comment-4029 How Spirit Led Giving Could Transform the Church | Tithing & Stewardship Wed, 11 Nov 2009 19:25:21 +0000 http://churchtithesandofferings.com/blog/?p=537#comment-4029 [...] Spirit led, freewill giving takes an extreme amount of faith to accept. Operating a ministry through a mandated tax system requires very little faith compared to spirit led gifts. [...] [...] Spirit led, freewill giving takes an extreme amount of faith to accept. Operating a ministry through a mandated tax system requires very little faith compared to spirit led gifts. [...]

]]> By: Freewillgiver http://churchtithesandofferings.com/blog/difference-between-spirit-led-freewill-grace-giving/comment-page-1/#comment-3381 Freewillgiver Sat, 27 Jun 2009 07:16:46 +0000 http://churchtithesandofferings.com/blog/?p=537#comment-3381 Thank you Darlington please tell others brother and set other Christians free from giving bondage. Thank you Darlington please tell others brother and set other Christians free from giving bondage.

]]> By: Darlington Nwokoma http://churchtithesandofferings.com/blog/difference-between-spirit-led-freewill-grace-giving/comment-page-1/#comment-3374 Darlington Nwokoma Fri, 26 Jun 2009 10:28:27 +0000 http://churchtithesandofferings.com/blog/?p=537#comment-3374 The issue of tithe have generated a lot of ripples in the Church leading to backsliding of many. In some congregation, emphasizes on tithe have overtaken the message of salvation, grace and love. The truth remains that a spirit-led giving is what the early Christian practised and should be preached. I believe no Christian is under a curse for not giving tithe as preached in some congregations. Christ, the scripture stated, has redeemed us from the curse of the law. The issue of tithe have generated a lot of ripples in the Church leading to backsliding of many. In some congregation, emphasizes on tithe have overtaken the message of salvation, grace and love. The truth remains that a spirit-led giving is what the early Christian practised and should be preached. I believe no Christian is under a curse for not giving tithe as preached in some congregations. Christ, the scripture stated, has redeemed us from the curse of the law.

]]> By: Gwaine http://churchtithesandofferings.com/blog/difference-between-spirit-led-freewill-grace-giving/comment-page-1/#comment-2501 Gwaine Mon, 02 Feb 2009 13:25:49 +0000 http://churchtithesandofferings.com/blog/?p=537#comment-2501 While there's so much to appreciate in your blog, we would have to help ourselves avoid unbalanced (and often <i>unreasonable</i>) statements. Here's one such mistaken ideas that caught my attention: <blockquote>You see, neither Abraham, Moses, Noah, Jacob, King David, or Isaac had the gift of the Spirit. Their communication with God was between them and an earthly priest. They did not have personal communication with God.</blockquote> This is a huge minus and an often repeated mistake that so many people use in their arguments against tithing. Sadly, not many such people realise the fact that this is simply contradicting the Word of God. Let's note those named: - Abraham, - Moses, - Noah, - Jacob, - King David, - Isaac; . .and there are three things highlighted in that quote, viz: (a) none of those mentioned above had the gift of the Spirit; (b) their communication with God was between them and an earthly priest; and - (c) they did not have personal communication with God. Quite the opposite is revealed in Scripture, and let's see a few: (a) <i>"none of those mentioned had the gift of the Spirit"?</i> Well, what about MOSES and DAVID? Two pointers may help correct this misrepresentation - Moses (Numbers 11:17-25); and David (1 Samuel 16:13). When we go through the OT, there are so many instances where we find many of the OT saints experienced and were led by the Spirit of God (Exo. 35:30-31; Isa. 63:11; Hag. 2:5, etc). (b) <i>"their communication with God was between them and an earthly priest"</i>? Not true. In <b><i>some</i></b> instances, some priests were involved; but that does not negate the fact that they had communication with God <b>without</b> the involvement of any priest, as the following reveals: - Abraham (Gen. 13:4; 15:1; 17:3-5) - Moses (Exo. 33:11) - Noah (Gen. 9:8-9) - Jacob (Gen. 32:9-12) - King David (2 Sam. 22:1ff) - Isaac (Gen. 25:21). These and several more other verses reveal simply that they had direct communication with God <b>without</b> involving any earthly priests. (c) <i>"they did not have personal communication with God"?</i> This is already answered in (b) above. Beloved, when we enter into discussions of this nature, I often wonder if this whole argument against tithes is simply a mindset rather than a careful appraisal of what Scripture teaches. It is unhealthy for anyone to make contradictory assertions and thereby assume that others are wrong while they "must" be right! By all means, avoid extreme statements - often, they are obviously convoluted and unjustified when closely examined in the Word of God. One cannot use untrue statements to justify one's arguments against a Biblical subject - and it does not matter whether they are made by tithers or non-tithers. Blessings. While there’s so much to appreciate in your blog, we would have to help ourselves avoid unbalanced (and often unreasonable) statements. Here’s one such mistaken ideas that caught my attention:

You see, neither Abraham, Moses, Noah, Jacob, King David, or Isaac had the gift of the Spirit. Their communication with God was between them and an earthly priest. They did not have personal communication with God.

This is a huge minus and an often repeated mistake that so many people use in their arguments against tithing. Sadly, not many such people realise the fact that this is simply contradicting the Word of God.

Let’s note those named:
- Abraham,
- Moses,
- Noah,
- Jacob,
- King David,
- Isaac;
. .and there are three things highlighted in that quote, viz:
(a) none of those mentioned above had the gift of the Spirit;
(b) their communication with God was between them and an earthly priest; and -
(c) they did not have personal communication with God.

Quite the opposite is revealed in Scripture, and let’s see a few:

(a) “none of those mentioned had the gift of the Spirit”?
Well, what about MOSES and DAVID? Two pointers may help correct this misrepresentation – Moses (Numbers 11:17-25); and David (1 Samuel 16:13). When we go through the OT, there are so many instances where we find many of the OT saints experienced and were led by the Spirit of God (Exo. 35:30-31; Isa. 63:11; Hag. 2:5, etc).

(b) “their communication with God was between them and an earthly priest”?
Not true. In some instances, some priests were involved; but that does not negate the fact that they had communication with God without the involvement of any priest, as the following reveals:
- Abraham (Gen. 13:4; 15:1; 17:3-5)
- Moses (Exo. 33:11)
- Noah (Gen. 9:8-9)
- Jacob (Gen. 32:9-12)
- King David (2 Sam. 22:1ff)
- Isaac (Gen. 25:21).
These and several more other verses reveal simply that they had direct communication with God without involving any earthly priests.

(c) “they did not have personal communication with God”?
This is already answered in (b) above.

Beloved, when we enter into discussions of this nature, I often wonder if this whole argument against tithes is simply a mindset rather than a careful appraisal of what Scripture teaches. It is unhealthy for anyone to make contradictory assertions and thereby assume that others are wrong while they “must” be right!

By all means, avoid extreme statements – often, they are obviously convoluted and unjustified when closely examined in the Word of God. One cannot use untrue statements to justify one’s arguments against a Biblical subject – and it does not matter whether they are made by tithers or non-tithers.

Blessings.

]]> By: freewillgiver http://churchtithesandofferings.com/blog/difference-between-spirit-led-freewill-grace-giving/comment-page-1/#comment-2433 freewillgiver Tue, 30 Dec 2008 19:54:33 +0000 http://churchtithesandofferings.com/blog/?p=537#comment-2433 I have been reading Pagan Christianity and I am blown away. The authors take on Pastors, and sermons is amazing and it seems to ring true. I can't wait untill I have finished the book and I know it well enough to explain it to my wife and others. I have been reading Pagan Christianity and I am blown away. The authors take on Pastors, and sermons is amazing and it seems to ring true. I can’t wait untill I have finished the book and I know it well enough to explain it to my wife and others.

]]> By: Ben Stroup http://churchtithesandofferings.com/blog/difference-between-spirit-led-freewill-grace-giving/comment-page-1/#comment-2430 Ben Stroup Wed, 17 Dec 2008 15:57:37 +0000 http://churchtithesandofferings.com/blog/?p=537#comment-2430 Let's be honest. The church as an institution is at it's core a non-profit organization that exists on the donations of its membership. We should be shifting our focus to creating a culture of generousity rather than employing faild persuasive tactics couched in pseudo-theological vocabulary. Read more at: http://tinyurl.com/6blgjm. Let’s be honest. The church as an institution is at it’s core a non-profit organization that exists on the donations of its membership.

We should be shifting our focus to creating a culture of generousity rather than employing faild persuasive tactics couched in pseudo-theological vocabulary.

Read more at: http://tinyurl.com/6blgjm.

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