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		<title>By: steward</title>
		<link>http://churchtithesandofferings.com/blog/debating-tithing-arguments/comment-page-1/#comment-4525</link>
		<dc:creator>steward</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Feb 2010 13:34:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Andes,
You see plenty of examples in the bible how spirit led and freewill giving can do everything that you&#039;ve mentioned. So why do we need tithing enforced?

- jared
.-= steward´s last blog ..&lt;a href=&quot;http://churchtithesandofferings.com/blog/if-it-looks-like-it-acts-like-it/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;If Tithing Looks Like it &amp; Acts Like It&lt;/a&gt; =-.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Andes,<br />
You see plenty of examples in the bible how spirit led and freewill giving can do everything that you&#8217;ve mentioned. So why do we need tithing enforced?</p>
<p>- jared<br />
<span class="cluv"> steward´s last blog ..<a href="http://churchtithesandofferings.com/blog/if-it-looks-like-it-acts-like-it/" rel="nofollow">If Tithing Looks Like it &#038; Acts Like It</a> <span class="heart_tip_box"><img class="heart_tip" alt="My ComLuv Profile" border="0" width="16" height="14" src="http://churchtithesandofferings.com/blog/wp-content/plugins/commentluv/images/littleheart.gif"/></span></span></p>
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		<title>By: Andes</title>
		<link>http://churchtithesandofferings.com/blog/debating-tithing-arguments/comment-page-1/#comment-4523</link>
		<dc:creator>Andes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Feb 2010 10:51:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I find arguing about old and new covenant or to tithe or not to tithe fustrating and become weighed down that Christians cannot agree. Is Tithing neccassary. Do I want Bibles spread all over the world for free? Yes. Do I want to attend church? Yes. Do I want my head pastor to live a comfortale stress free life so that he can run the church? Yes. Do I want my children taught by people who are dedicated to God? Yes. Do I want all the Pastors at my Church to be able to afford a house? Yes Do I want them to have children? Yes. Do I want their children to be happy? Yes. Do I want them to try have wordly careers and try run the church? No. Do I want the Church building to be maintained? Yes. We have a 2+5 collection which goes to all the members struggling financialy in our church, do I want them to have a good life? Yes. Do I want our pastor who heads the missionary department to spread the word of God all over the world? Yes. Some members who wish to attend church are bussed in, do I want them to worship God with me and share His word with me? Yes. I could go on and on and all my answers would be YES. ALL OF THESE THINGS COST MONEY. WE MAN HAVE OUR PART TO PLAY AND GOD WANTS US TO DO IT WILLININGLY AND JOYFULLY. TO TITHE OR NOT TO TITHE. I SAY TITHE.
.-= Andes´s last blog ..&lt;a href=&quot;http://churchtithesandofferings.com/blog/charity-who-cares/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Charity: Who Cares?&lt;/a&gt; =-.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I find arguing about old and new covenant or to tithe or not to tithe fustrating and become weighed down that Christians cannot agree. Is Tithing neccassary. Do I want Bibles spread all over the world for free? Yes. Do I want to attend church? Yes. Do I want my head pastor to live a comfortale stress free life so that he can run the church? Yes. Do I want my children taught by people who are dedicated to God? Yes. Do I want all the Pastors at my Church to be able to afford a house? Yes Do I want them to have children? Yes. Do I want their children to be happy? Yes. Do I want them to try have wordly careers and try run the church? No. Do I want the Church building to be maintained? Yes. We have a 2+5 collection which goes to all the members struggling financialy in our church, do I want them to have a good life? Yes. Do I want our pastor who heads the missionary department to spread the word of God all over the world? Yes. Some members who wish to attend church are bussed in, do I want them to worship God with me and share His word with me? Yes. I could go on and on and all my answers would be YES. ALL OF THESE THINGS COST MONEY. WE MAN HAVE OUR PART TO PLAY AND GOD WANTS US TO DO IT WILLININGLY AND JOYFULLY. TO TITHE OR NOT TO TITHE. I SAY TITHE.<br />
<span class="cluv"> Andes´s last blog ..<a href="http://churchtithesandofferings.com/blog/charity-who-cares/" rel="nofollow">Charity: Who Cares?</a> <span class="heart_tip_box"><img class="heart_tip" alt="My ComLuv Profile" border="0" width="16" height="14" src="http://churchtithesandofferings.com/blog/wp-content/plugins/commentluv/images/littleheart.gif"/></span></span></p>
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		<title>By: 5 Roadblocks to the Tithing Truth &#124; Tithing &#38; Stewardship</title>
		<link>http://churchtithesandofferings.com/blog/debating-tithing-arguments/comment-page-1/#comment-4227</link>
		<dc:creator>5 Roadblocks to the Tithing Truth &#124; Tithing &#38; Stewardship</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Jan 2010 00:57:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] the years of debating and writing about tithing, I&#8217;ve come across many people  that seem to be almost persuaded about the truth of tithing. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] the years of debating and writing about tithing, I&#8217;ve come across many people  that seem to be almost persuaded about the truth of tithing. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Freewillgiver</title>
		<link>http://churchtithesandofferings.com/blog/debating-tithing-arguments/comment-page-1/#comment-4016</link>
		<dc:creator>Freewillgiver</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 03:33:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you Al

Money Tithes makes pastors into winners by the worlds standards. Sucsess is very earthy big churches and prominance. Jesus wanted his diciples and everone to loose everything to gain him. I do not argue for every Christian to hurt themselves or thier families I am arguing that money seeking Christian leaders and doctrines are very different than what Jesus taught. The Cross was for loosers. Jesus wants us all to be crossed out so he can live through us. Expecting tithes makes leaders weak in the spirit becase it makes them earthly leaders comfortable and confident in money. 

Please tell many who Jesus directs you the freedom from demanded money from Christian leaders. Blessed are the poor in spirit Love seeks not its own but love suffers and believes all things love never fails.
 
Christian friends Jesus wants the best leaders to know him in his sufferings He who wants to be the greatest must become the least. 

If Christian leaders expect a certain percentage anyone in the name of Jesus how is that different from earthly kings and polititians. Jesus expected persicution. James said count it all joy when you enter into divers temptations and persicution. 

Jesus became poor for our sakes Expecting and demanding tithes is not a recipie for becoming poor in spirit.

Christ in Us</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you Al</p>
<p>Money Tithes makes pastors into winners by the worlds standards. Sucsess is very earthy big churches and prominance. Jesus wanted his diciples and everone to loose everything to gain him. I do not argue for every Christian to hurt themselves or thier families I am arguing that money seeking Christian leaders and doctrines are very different than what Jesus taught. The Cross was for loosers. Jesus wants us all to be crossed out so he can live through us. Expecting tithes makes leaders weak in the spirit becase it makes them earthly leaders comfortable and confident in money. </p>
<p>Please tell many who Jesus directs you the freedom from demanded money from Christian leaders. Blessed are the poor in spirit Love seeks not its own but love suffers and believes all things love never fails.</p>
<p>Christian friends Jesus wants the best leaders to know him in his sufferings He who wants to be the greatest must become the least. </p>
<p>If Christian leaders expect a certain percentage anyone in the name of Jesus how is that different from earthly kings and polititians. Jesus expected persicution. James said count it all joy when you enter into divers temptations and persicution. </p>
<p>Jesus became poor for our sakes Expecting and demanding tithes is not a recipie for becoming poor in spirit.</p>
<p>Christ in Us</p>
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		<title>By: Al Sydney</title>
		<link>http://churchtithesandofferings.com/blog/debating-tithing-arguments/comment-page-1/#comment-4012</link>
		<dc:creator>Al Sydney</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 23:12:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Please read Hebrews 10:8-10(NLT)why do you want to argue with what the bible clearly says?Unless you a greater than Apostle Paul or know more than him.In the old testament the Jews were commanded by Moses to bring all the animals and all the food,harvest,required by the law to the Levites so that they can present it to the High Priests.That means their tithes,sin offering and all other offerings(Read Leviticus 27:31,Deutronomy 12:6,Nehemiah 12:44)Hebrews 10:9(NLT)says that GOD CANCELS THE FIRST COVENANT IN ORDER TO PUT THE SECOND INTO EFFECT.Read Hebrews 9:13-14 the High Priest used the animals and pigeons the people offered for all the cleansing ceremonies and offerings that was done.Jesus was not a Levite if He was here on Earth He is  not allowed to receceve any offering or tithe here.Hebrews 8:4(NLT)says it all.UNLESS YOU ARE A LEVITE YOU CANT RECEIVE OR PERFORM ANY CEREMONIES.Thats why King Saul lost his kingdom when he offered up a burnt offering.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Please read Hebrews 10:8-10(NLT)why do you want to argue with what the bible clearly says?Unless you a greater than Apostle Paul or know more than him.In the old testament the Jews were commanded by Moses to bring all the animals and all the food,harvest,required by the law to the Levites so that they can present it to the High Priests.That means their tithes,sin offering and all other offerings(Read Leviticus 27:31,Deutronomy 12:6,Nehemiah 12:44)Hebrews 10:9(NLT)says that GOD CANCELS THE FIRST COVENANT IN ORDER TO PUT THE SECOND INTO EFFECT.Read Hebrews 9:13-14 the High Priest used the animals and pigeons the people offered for all the cleansing ceremonies and offerings that was done.Jesus was not a Levite if He was here on Earth He is  not allowed to receceve any offering or tithe here.Hebrews 8:4(NLT)says it all.UNLESS YOU ARE A LEVITE YOU CANT RECEIVE OR PERFORM ANY CEREMONIES.Thats why King Saul lost his kingdom when he offered up a burnt offering.</p>
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		<title>By: Val Girilovitch</title>
		<link>http://churchtithesandofferings.com/blog/debating-tithing-arguments/comment-page-1/#comment-3950</link>
		<dc:creator>Val Girilovitch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 19:48:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear Sir/Madam



 

Hope you may be able to help?  We are doing a film project and would love any kind of support.

Our film is on Religion and its effects on the Economy. 

Tithing is one of the theams in our documentry.

We feel no one has ever intencly done an intencive study in to tithing and how other religions practice it, not to mention the after effects?

 

Could you please help us in any way or form.

 

This might be through statistics or put us in contact with people that would help put the film together.

 

Val G

 

P.S. I am from Australia, right now live in Ukraine gathering material for this documentary film.

After 20 years of addiction to narcotics and 20 years of recovery it became clear to me that this film needs to be done… 

 

val@ciac.biz

 

+380503315028</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Sir/Madam</p>
<p>Hope you may be able to help?  We are doing a film project and would love any kind of support.</p>
<p>Our film is on Religion and its effects on the Economy. </p>
<p>Tithing is one of the theams in our documentry.</p>
<p>We feel no one has ever intencly done an intencive study in to tithing and how other religions practice it, not to mention the after effects?</p>
<p>Could you please help us in any way or form.</p>
<p>This might be through statistics or put us in contact with people that would help put the film together.</p>
<p>Val G</p>
<p>P.S. I am from Australia, right now live in Ukraine gathering material for this documentary film.</p>
<p>After 20 years of addiction to narcotics and 20 years of recovery it became clear to me that this film needs to be done… </p>
<p><a href="mailto:val@ciac.biz">val@ciac.biz</a></p>
<p>+380503315028</p>
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		<title>By: Sazza</title>
		<link>http://churchtithesandofferings.com/blog/debating-tithing-arguments/comment-page-1/#comment-3464</link>
		<dc:creator>Sazza</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Jul 2009 10:53:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sometimes people look at tithing as being told what to give and how to give it.  I can understand the offense that that may cause.

However, I&#039;ve been part of a church where we&#039;ve had to sack a Pastor because we could nolonger afford to pay him.  The church leaders worked out that if every member of the church was on the minimum government payment (not even a wage) and they each gave only 10% of that income we would have been able to continue to pay the pastor.  

Being down a pastor meant that ministries were stopped, pastoral care within the congregation had to be reduced because there was one less person to provide it and ultimatley the church&#039;s opportunity to witness in the community was decreased.

I believe there are people who missed a chance to hear the gospel and witness God&#039;s power in action because a community of believers struggled to let go of a portion of what God had blessed them with.

Bottom lines and budgets don&#039;t matter eternally, but people&#039;s souls do.  That&#039;s why I make a choice to tithe.

Thank you for the opportunity to share my experience.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sometimes people look at tithing as being told what to give and how to give it.  I can understand the offense that that may cause.</p>
<p>However, I&#8217;ve been part of a church where we&#8217;ve had to sack a Pastor because we could nolonger afford to pay him.  The church leaders worked out that if every member of the church was on the minimum government payment (not even a wage) and they each gave only 10% of that income we would have been able to continue to pay the pastor.  </p>
<p>Being down a pastor meant that ministries were stopped, pastoral care within the congregation had to be reduced because there was one less person to provide it and ultimatley the church&#8217;s opportunity to witness in the community was decreased.</p>
<p>I believe there are people who missed a chance to hear the gospel and witness God&#8217;s power in action because a community of believers struggled to let go of a portion of what God had blessed them with.</p>
<p>Bottom lines and budgets don&#8217;t matter eternally, but people&#8217;s souls do.  That&#8217;s why I make a choice to tithe.</p>
<p>Thank you for the opportunity to share my experience.</p>
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		<title>By: JoAnne</title>
		<link>http://churchtithesandofferings.com/blog/debating-tithing-arguments/comment-page-1/#comment-2456</link>
		<dc:creator>JoAnne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Jan 2009 20:46:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks! It is refreshing to be able to speak without fear of being labeled a traitor, rebellious, fearful, etc..... God bless your boldness. I will post more later.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks! It is refreshing to be able to speak without fear of being labeled a traitor, rebellious, fearful, etc&#8230;.. God bless your boldness. I will post more later.</p>
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		<title>By: tithe</title>
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		<dc:creator>tithe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Jan 2009 14:40:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>JoAnne,
You may post anything you want from this website. For credit purposes, just make sure you have a link to this website as your source.

- jared</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>JoAnne,<br />
You may post anything you want from this website. For credit purposes, just make sure you have a link to this website as your source.</p>
<p>- jared</p>
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		<title>By: JoAnne</title>
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		<dc:creator>JoAnne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Jan 2009 12:55:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I enjoy your debates/discussions and am glad to see that there are others who don&#039;t want to be plugged into the &quot;matrix&quot; anymore. I love Jesus and people and recently posted a lot of truth about tithing on my facebook and wow!!! stirred up the beehive.. I don&#039;t want to hurt anyone but do want the truth out. May I post any of your writings on my facebook? Thanks :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I enjoy your debates/discussions and am glad to see that there are others who don&#8217;t want to be plugged into the &#8220;matrix&#8221; anymore. I love Jesus and people and recently posted a lot of truth about tithing on my facebook and wow!!! stirred up the beehive.. I don&#8217;t want to hurt anyone but do want the truth out. May I post any of your writings on my facebook? Thanks <img src='http://churchtithesandofferings.com/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: 6 Reasons to Debate Tithing &#124; Tithing &#38; Stewardship</title>
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		<dc:creator>6 Reasons to Debate Tithing &#124; Tithing &#38; Stewardship</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Jan 2009 17:57:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Many have asked me, &#8220;why tithing&#8221;? Of all the things to study and debate, why have i chosen tithing? Right off the bat i don&#8217;t really know why the topic of tithing fires me up so much, so i found 5 good reasons to get fired up about the tithing debate. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Many have asked me, &#8220;why tithing&#8221;? Of all the things to study and debate, why have i chosen tithing? Right off the bat i don&#8217;t really know why the topic of tithing fires me up so much, so i found 5 good reasons to get fired up about the tithing debate. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Cheerful Giving &#124; Tithe Stewardship &#38; Church Tithing</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cheerful Giving &#124; Tithe Stewardship &#38; Church Tithing</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Aug 2008 13:15:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] instead of sticking to the subject. I have conceded to many things on the opposing side of the tithing debate, but not once can i remember in my 400 something posts, that the opposing side conceded to [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] instead of sticking to the subject. I have conceded to many things on the opposing side of the tithing debate, but not once can i remember in my 400 something posts, that the opposing side conceded to [...]</p>
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