Comments on: Barna Takes a Stand Against Tithing http://churchtithesandofferings.com/blog/barna-takes-a-stand-against-tithing/ Church Tithe and Offerings Stewardship & Tithing Sat, 05 Jul 2008 01:01:51 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.3.1 By: Tithing in the Age of Grace http://churchtithesandofferings.com/blog/barna-takes-a-stand-against-tithing/#comment-4337 Tithing in the Age of Grace Wed, 11 Jun 2008 14:37:47 +0000 http://churchtithesandofferings.com/blog/barna-takes-a-stand-against-tithing/#comment-4337 [...] Does this sound familiar to the operations we see today in the Church? Is there no wonder why Barna’s tithing study points out that many people are diverting more of their funds to charitable organizations rather [...] […] Does this sound familiar to the operations we see today in the Church? Is there no wonder why Barna’s tithing study points out that many people are diverting more of their funds to charitable organizations rather […]

]]> By: Why is Giving Down? http://churchtithesandofferings.com/blog/barna-takes-a-stand-against-tithing/#comment-3845 Why is Giving Down? Tue, 20 May 2008 20:17:28 +0000 http://churchtithesandofferings.com/blog/barna-takes-a-stand-against-tithing/#comment-3845 [...] Barna’s statistics recently came out about giving trends over the past year. I just recently posted my thoughts about that as well. Here is the question, Why is giving down? Is it because of a bad economy? Is it because of gas prices? Is it because pastors aren’t preaching tithing enough? Probably due to the backlash against tithing, i’m sure pastors are preaching more about tithing. they have to keep up with the grandeur religious empires. After all it’s all about building the kingdom of ?_______? [...] […] Barna’s statistics recently came out about giving trends over the past year. I just recently posted my thoughts about that as well. Here is the question, Why is giving down? Is it because of a bad economy? Is it because of gas prices? Is it because pastors aren’t preaching tithing enough? Probably due to the backlash against tithing, i’m sure pastors are preaching more about tithing. they have to keep up with the grandeur religious empires. After all it’s all about building the kingdom of ?_______? […]

]]> By: Isabelo S. Alcordo http://churchtithesandofferings.com/blog/barna-takes-a-stand-against-tithing/#comment-2693 Isabelo S. Alcordo Tue, 22 Apr 2008 00:07:56 +0000 http://churchtithesandofferings.com/blog/barna-takes-a-stand-against-tithing/#comment-2693 Protestants in the Philippines, regardless of denomination - church or cult - are being pushed to tithe by their pastors. Catholics do not tithe. Tithe is a legal term and is integral or inseparable part of the OT Law. Jesus said "The truth shall set you free." Free from what? Free from the OT Law, of course! If we are free from the OT LAW, we are free from tithing - but NOT free from giving to the poor and for the suport of pastors and their families, according to the dictates of our hearts as Christians, and to support congregation-approved church out-reach activities and projects. But Protestant pastors do not teach their congregations this TRUTH. If your heart says 10% (of your committed income base), so be it. BUT THIS IS NOT TITHE THAT JUSTIFIES PASTORS TO CITE MALACHI! Another TRUTH is that the CURSE and TITHING cannot be separated. The term should never be used in Christian churches. Protestant pastors in the Philippines know this. Hence, their favorite set of verses with tithing sermons is Malachi 3:8-12. Is this not outright deception? Again, another TRUTH is that OT tithing was land tax to the LORD payable to the priesthood, hence only produce and products of the land were taxed. Malachi rightly declared that the Israelites that received land from God in Canaan are "ROBBING GOD" if and when they failed or refused to pay the TITHES! Dr. Isabelo S. Alcordo, Ph.D. (Sci.) www.layadvocacyforchristianunity.org Valencia City, Bukidnon, Philippines Protestants in the Philippines, regardless of denomination - church or cult - are being pushed to tithe by their pastors. Catholics do not tithe. Tithe is a legal term and is integral or inseparable part of the OT Law. Jesus said “The truth shall set you free.” Free from what? Free from the OT Law, of course! If we are free from the OT LAW, we are free from tithing - but NOT free from giving to the poor and for the suport of pastors and their families, according to the dictates of our hearts as Christians, and to support congregation-approved church out-reach activities and projects. But Protestant pastors do not teach their congregations this TRUTH. If your heart says 10% (of your committed income base), so be it. BUT THIS IS NOT TITHE THAT JUSTIFIES PASTORS TO CITE MALACHI! Another TRUTH is that the CURSE and TITHING cannot be separated. The term should never be used in Christian churches. Protestant pastors in the Philippines know this. Hence, their favorite set of verses with tithing sermons is Malachi 3:8-12. Is this not outright deception? Again, another TRUTH is that OT tithing was land tax to the LORD payable to the priesthood, hence only produce and products of the land were taxed. Malachi rightly declared that the Israelites that received land from God in Canaan are “ROBBING GOD” if and when they failed or refused to pay the TITHES!

Dr. Isabelo S. Alcordo, Ph.D. (Sci.)
www.layadvocacyforchristianunity.org
Valencia City, Bukidnon, Philippines

]]> By: Pagan Christianity by Frank Viola & George Barna http://churchtithesandofferings.com/blog/barna-takes-a-stand-against-tithing/#comment-2376 Pagan Christianity by Frank Viola & George Barna Wed, 16 Apr 2008 13:27:09 +0000 http://churchtithesandofferings.com/blog/barna-takes-a-stand-against-tithing/#comment-2376 [...] Frank Viola and George Barna must have done is somehow wipe their memory of anything they can remember about the event we call [...] […] Frank Viola and George Barna must have done is somehow wipe their memory of anything they can remember about the event we call […]

]]> By: brady http://churchtithesandofferings.com/blog/barna-takes-a-stand-against-tithing/#comment-2351 brady Wed, 16 Apr 2008 04:41:06 +0000 http://churchtithesandofferings.com/blog/barna-takes-a-stand-against-tithing/#comment-2351 When Jesus looked at the law he didn't tend to eliminate old rules, but escalate them. Before it was "do not murder" now it is "do not hate." Before it was "do not commit adultery," but now we are not even to look lustfully at a woman. ------------ Matthew 23:23 23“Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you tithe mint and dill and cumin, and have neglected the weightier matters of the law: justice and mercy and faithfulness. These you ought to have done, without neglecting the others. ------------ They were already tithing (as has been pointed out, in the old testament this was literally 10%). Jesus says they should be! and more. Give your wealth, but be sure you're taking care of those in need too. When Jesus looked at the law he didn’t tend to eliminate old rules, but escalate them. Before it was “do not murder” now it is “do not hate.” Before it was “do not commit adultery,” but now we are not even to look lustfully at a woman.

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Matthew 23:23
23“Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you tithe mint and dill and cumin, and have neglected the weightier matters of the law: justice and mercy and faithfulness. These you ought to have done, without neglecting the others.
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They were already tithing (as has been pointed out, in the old testament this was literally 10%). Jesus says they should be! and more. Give your wealth, but be sure you’re taking care of those in need too.

]]> By: tithe http://churchtithesandofferings.com/blog/barna-takes-a-stand-against-tithing/#comment-2322 tithe Tue, 15 Apr 2008 17:05:20 +0000 http://churchtithesandofferings.com/blog/barna-takes-a-stand-against-tithing/#comment-2322 Z Anderson, Thanks for your comment. I see what you're saying, but when you talk about how much the widow gave, you are still focusing on the amount as the important formula. As we can read in Luke, there was a steward who actually gave 100% of it back as well, but was not considered a good steward. Whether 1% or 100%, the amount is not the sacrifice that God desires. Z Anderson,
Thanks for your comment. I see what you’re saying, but when you talk about how much the widow gave, you are still focusing on the amount as the important formula. As we can read in Luke, there was a steward who actually gave 100% of it back as well, but was not considered a good steward. Whether 1% or 100%, the amount is not the sacrifice that God desires.

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