Archive for August, 2007

Playing the Church Game

Wednesday, August 29th, 2007

I have gotta get this off of my chest. What i’m saying here has very little to do with tithe, offerings or stewardship, but i’m gonna talk about it anyways.

Me and my wife are in transition from one church to another church. To make a long story short the one church we are leaving is going to have some future issues. First they have over a 70,000 mortgage a month. Second, the church is practically run by the pastor and his family. So there is not much accountability for the pastor’s decisions. Thirdly, 6 members of the pastoral staff left the church within one year’s time. So that alone has got to tell you something. There were only 8 pastoral staff members total. Fourthly, we hear sermons every week about how we need to tithe and sacrifice for this building project. Many times he refers to tithing in a joke, but when you hear it joked about every week, it is not funny anymore. Fifthly, most of the sermons are great motivational speeches that let you leave feeling all warm and fuzzy inside. Sixthly, the church did not facilitate many ways to serve outside of their own walls. In other words, they had plenty of opportunities for people to serve, but almost all of them were for the church itself. Imagine if all the needs that you saw were meaningful were for yourself or your organization. Seventhly, the church had one of the best youth groups i ever saw, but once you graduated, you had to go onto the higher departments, but they stunk. Why have a good youth group when you can’t continue the enthusiasm and effort outside of highschool?

Basically, for me and my wife, the young married’s group was pretty much non-existent. Eighthly, it was hard to build any relationships there. I can’t really pin point it. I don’t know if people just seemed snotty or that i just had nothing in common with anyone. It just seemed that nobody wanted to build relationships outside of their own little circle. Finally, every single lifegroup i went to at the church all flopped or totally stunk. We either ended up talking about fantasy football for an hour or we just decided to cancel and reschedule whenever the leader was too busy. My lifegroup is somewhat the reason why i’m writing this now.

About 4 months ago i talked to someone of the pastoral staff about lifegroups and how i haven’t experience much success in them. I also mentioned that me and my wife were considering leaving with the condition of lifegroups as the basis of our decision. Well, through that conversation he decided to start one with me and a few of my friends in it. So i agreed to remain at the church throughout the remainder of the book we were going through, and that me and my wife would make a final decision at the end of it. I can’t really complain about this lifegroup. Yes, we’ve canceled it a bunch of times, but i couldn’t really complain with the overall results.

Over the time period of the lifegroup, me and my wife could hear a confirmation in our hearts that our current church was the place for us. Of course this enlightenment was in the middle of my lifegroup, which would have made it too early to leave the church because of my previous commitment to stick it out. Even though i didn’t finish the lifegroup yet, me and my wife had visited another church and really enjoyed it. To make a long story short my current lifegroup leader found out and confronted me about it. In the end i admitted that i should have told him what i had done, but also made it very clear that i wanted to continue the lifegroup because of my closest friends were involved in it. There was no reason to cancel the lifegroup or for me to leave it.

My leader just called me today and asked me to talk to the pastor at the new church about going to a lifegroup at a different church. His excuses were that if i am calling this new church my home and want to get involved that i should get plugged in there, and stop attending the lifegroup of the old church. Apparently the new pastor should have some sort of control over where i can fellowship. One thing i never mentioned, is that this new church, is being pastored by one of the pastoral staff that left my old church.

I hate assuming things and drawing conclusions about something that i have no proof over, but i could see right through my lifegroup leader when he was talking to me about this. His conversation with me had hardly anything to do with his concern over my spiritual growth, but everything to do with playing the church game. Our time is too important to be sitting with one another and discussing about whether it’s okay to attend the lifegroup of this church or a lifegroup of another. I can’t help it that this pastor left your church and started another. I can’t help that i feel led to go to another church. But, my goodness, do you have to throw out your playing cards and start the church vs. church game with me? Changing churches is a big enough decision as it is, do i need to sit here and ponder over the ramifications of finishing the remainder of this lifegroup?

I can find a good reason to do just about anything. The reasoning of my lifegroup leader sounds good and wise, but wisdom can be used as a cloak to hide the true reasons. He could have many other reasons besides what he mentioned. It could be that he doesn’t find that it is valuable to give up time to service the needs of others (me) outside of his walls. It could be that he’s busy, because his wife was just injured. It could be that he doesn’t want conflict from the other pastor. It could be any number of things. I guarantee you that what he mentioned was the only motive behind it. Maybe this is just hit a personal button of mine. I don’t know why this got me all bent out of shape. I think in the back of my mind, i’m saying that my old church is just proving once again why i’m leaving. I’ve had it with playing church games. I’m throwing in my cards. I feel so frustrated at the moment.

Do you ever feel like that you and me are the ones that are keeping our pastors accountable rather than your pastor keeping you accountable? I just feel that what my lifegroup leader did was irresponsible.

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Paying Your Tithe

Wednesday, August 29th, 2007

Tithing Video

Monday, August 27th, 2007

Harvey Gypem’s Tithe Deductions

Monday, August 27th, 2007

This video is a funny analogy of how people try to get out of tithing, but at the same time, it makes me wonder why these excuses aren’t legitimate if we are apparently in the grace age of required tithing.

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International Gathering of Champions

Saturday, August 25th, 2007

You know what’s funny about these seminars that want your finances to be blessed is that you always come out poorer than you did going in. Of course with a certain Television Broadcaster Nearby to record the event, you better believe that they will shake you upside down to get your last bit of change out of you before you go home.

You know what’s crazy is that these people think that when Jesus spoke on finances it was all about improving self, when in actuality it was about increasing the kingdom. No wait, i get it, God said he would open the windows of heaven and pour out his blessing just like the dove ascended on Christ as the heavens were opened. Oh, i see, it’s all about getting, isn’t it? That’s what this is all about. The only people at this seminar that will be getting anything is the Television Broadcaster Nearby. Other than that, everyone else will be giving.

Offering Time

Saturday, August 25th, 2007

Just in Time to get you pumped up for your offering tomorrow at church

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Rich pastors not common, but not endangered

Tuesday, August 21st, 2007

Associated Baptist Press – Matt Kennedy
Rich pastors not common, but not endangered species

What a life to live. The luxurious lifestyle of being a pastor! Rich pastors will never be endangered. They will always exist. Why? I don’t know? Why do you think? Is it ok that some pastors are walking around with expensive watches, and suits? If one’s earned it, don’t you think that it’s okay for them to keep what they’ve earned? Why should everyone bash on TD Jakes, Joel Osteen, Creflo Dollar? I mean, God’s given that to them, hasn’t he? They have a right to choose to keep that which God has given them. Why should we make them feel guilty about taking so much, when we’ve taken so much in our own lives. Of course not as much as them in the amount, but proportionately, we have. At least i feel that i have.

I wish sometimes that there was no such thing as “things”. i wish it was just all dirt to me. What if they look at that stuff as dirt? Do you think that some of those pastors that live in mansions could actually be right? Do you think there’s anyone that can be justified for what they’ve got? Do you think it’s okay for any Christian to live in any mansion? How much do you think is the right amount for all pastors to make?

This article does talk about tithing. but it mainly is referring to pastor Rick Warren of saddleback church. He lives off of a reverse tithe. That means he lives off of 10% of what he makes and gives 90%. You’ve gotta hand it to the guy for doing this. Do you think Rick Warren is challenging other rich pastors by giving a reverse tithe? I would think Rick Warren would have more authority in finances just because he’s shown that he’s handled the grip of money so well. On the other hand when other rich pastors are preaching tithing, it’s hard to listen.

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Master Tithe

Thursday, August 16th, 2007

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